God’s Will is not Constant Comfort and Worldly Success

by Mike Ratliff

It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. (Hebrews 12:7-11 ESV)

As we have been discussing lately, only a fragment of the visible Church is holy. Only a Remnant is truly saved. There is actually a great gulf fixed between this Remnant and professing Christians who are in apostasy. This gulf has many aspects, but one of the main things that separate the two groups is that the Remnant is made up of those who are true worshippers of God. They worship the Father in spirit and truth. Those in apostasy may very well have stirring worship services and sing praise song after praise song in their Sunday Worship Services, but that is as far as it goes. It is simply music, and in God’s ears it is nothing more than a clanging gong. Genuine worship of God in spirit and truth comes from the heart of the regenerate who worships Him with every part of their lives. They serve God in all they do. He is their all-in-all. They do not seek for God to make them happy in all things. Instead, they seek to walk holy before the Lord.

“Eudaemonism is an uncommon word for which I should perhaps apologize. I use it because it is the only word I know that fits. I has nothing to do with demons. It comes from the Greek for “happy,” eudaimon, and Webster defines it as “the system of philosophy which makes human happiness the highest object.” I use the word as a label for the view that happiness means the presence of pleasure and freedom from all this unpleasant. Eudaemonism says that since happiness is the supreme value, we may confidently look to God here and now to shield us from unpleasantness at every turn, or if unpleasantness breaks in, to deliver us from it immediately because it is never his will that we should have to live with it. This is a basic principle of much contemporary religion. Unhappily, however, it is also a false principle. It loses sight of the place of pain in sanctification whereby God trains his children to share his holiness. Such oversight can be ruinous.” – J.I Packer from Hot Tub Religion, 75

God’s will is not that we should every moment feel happy, but that we should every moment be holy. If we live holy lives then we will also worship the Lord our God in spirit and truth with our lives. These holy lives are not guaranteed to be free of suffering. In fact, the opposite is true.

For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.
(Philippians 1:29-30 ESV)

In my younger days I was a long distance runner. In the warmer months of the year I could easily run over 40 miles a week. I competed in races that were anywhere from 5K to 10 miles long. To do this, I had to train. I had to build my endurance. There is no way to build endurance for long distance running other than running long distance. However, no matter how much I ran to train for racing, I could not compete unless I had the desire to do so. When I trained well I believed that I could do well and I wanted very much to excel in it. Christian endurance is the ability to live lovingly, joyfully, peacefully, and patiently under conditions that we wish were different. Another way to describe this is Walking by Faith. Suffering builds endurance because it builds and deepens our faith. We often think of suffering as persecution or illness or horrible family problems. However, suffering is getting what you do not want while wanting what you do not get. Christian suffering is an integral part of biblical holiness. In fact, if we are those who worship God in spirit and truth then we can expect to suffer.

So we do not lose heart. Though our outer nature is wasting away, our inner nature is being renewed day by day. For this slight momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. (2 Corinthians 4:16-18 ESV)

Suffering is a natural and necessary part of the Christian life. It is the Christian’s road home. That road goes through the Valley of Humiliation. There is no road around it that also leads to Heaven. There is part of the apostate Church that is in love with health, wealth and prosperity. They preach that it is possible to be free from pain and trouble as if God is wringing His hands because His people won’t pray the right prayers or have enough faith so He can heal them and make them rich. I have seen prayer meetings where those who were suffering were nonplused that God would allow them or their loved ones to be ill or in pain or to suffer loss. Instead of rejoicing and requesting prayer that they might be found worthy by going through the fire, they want God to give them freedom from the suffering as if it is their right. However, if we learn to take the Holy Spirit seriously, He will convince us of the naturalness of suffering in the Christian life by probably leading us into a higher degree of it than we ever thought we could bear.

No one enjoys suffering. However, if we learn to walk this walk by faith then we will also find that the Valley of Humiliation is the place where we learn to draw near unto God who then draws near unto us. (James 4:8) In many cases those whom God uses mightily are also those whom He hurts severely first.

Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” And the Lord said to him, “Rise and go to the street called Straight, and at the house of Judas look for a man of Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying, and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him so that he might regain his sight.” But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” (Acts 9:10-16 ESV)

God mightily used Paul, but before He could use him He had to knock him off his horse and blind him. Then Jesus promised Ananias that He would show Paul how much he must suffer for the sake of His name. I’m sure Paul didn’t enjoy suffering anymore than you or I, but he saw the role it played in making God’s people holy. He knew that God’s grace is sufficient for those who are suffering. (2 Corinthians 12:9) It is those believers who accept that they are the ones who progress through the Valley of Humiliation on their way to becoming the holy believers God wills for them to be who are the living sacrifices that live for God’s glory alone.

Addendum: Thanks to Timothy Bell for this link

66 Responses to “God’s Will is not Constant Comfort and Worldly Success”

  1. Once confused Says:

    Mike, this is such an important article. Gradually, I have seen such sincere fellow believers come to the prevalent belief that we are to live comfortably if we are in His will. Sometimes, there is nothing comfortable about living for Him…it is in these times that we grow, if we don’t lose heart and press on in Him.

  2. Paul Says:

    I really do believe that our life here will not be a bed of roses. In fact, we speak from experiance as children of God that yes, suffering is a BIG part of fallen man, our sin, and the Lord pruning us to make us better. When you go through the fire, and you will if you are truly His, that is His way of refining us. He gives us the strength to endure it too. Sometimes it seems unbearable. Sometimes it seems to ‘quiet’. When you go from a healthy person physically, to a totally disabled person physically, your family use to think you were the greatest until you fell off the cookie wagon because God came and saved you, and now they all disown you, and we all could go on and on with the trials and tribulations we have all gone through such as family member, jobs, your health and a list of to many to mention……. you find out how much you need Him through all or face it, you just wouldn’t make it. He will strip layer by layer off of pride along with all the things this world sees good. Its all an inversion, thats the only word we can think of to sum it up. Its an inversion. What the world says is good, God will say is bad. The walk of a real Christian is not easy, but He is worth it all and then some. He gives us what we need to walk it all the way to the end. Glory be to God and all He does for us, to us, and with us. Yes His remnant is here. And like you always say Mike, come quickly Lord Jesus!!

  3. Coram Deo Says:

    I’ve never heard of Eudaemonism before, but reflection upon its definition caused me to devise a new word: Theohedonism: the belief that God has your personal happiness and contentment at the very top of His list of eternal priorities.

    I plan to add this word to the lexicon of descriptors for the word-faith, “name it and claim it”, “blab it and grab it”, “Gawd has a wunnerful plan fer yer life”, man-centered, Devil Driven, Seeker Sensitive, hell-spawned, false doctrine of the post-modern, emergent, apostate, contemplative, New Age, mystical, professing harlot circus church of Laodicea.

  4. fishon Says:

    Great piece, Mike. Sadly, there are many preachers who would use the paper [ok, no paper] this great article was written on for a fire starter. Not as a fire starter for spiritual fire, but a literal fire.

    If you don’t mind, I would like to use a few of your phrases in some sermons I have planned? You say them better than I do.

    MAKE IT a great week.
    fishon

  5. pitchford Says:

    I have recently had some interactions with a prosperity gospel, “Word of Faith” sort of mentality. Faith is not something we are supposed to have in Christ, according to this guy, but an impersonal force that you can connect with to get all of your desires. My heart goes out to all the people he has influenced, who think the reason they are sick, hurting, etc., is that they have not mustered up enough faith. They end up looking inside themselves, trying to conjure up the “faith” to claim their wish — but that is the oppositie of what true faith is, which looks to Christ alone for mercy, and blesses his name whether he gives or takes away physical prosperity.

    Thanks for you clear call to the true gospel, in light of all the rampant heresies in the world today.

    In Christ,
    Nathan

  6. N Says:

    Thank you for this.

  7. Henry Frueh Says:

    I absolutely disagree with everything you said here.

    Wait a minute, I mean I absolutely AGREE with everything you said here. A costless Christianity is a worldly Christianity which by definition is no Christianity at all. By today’s standards the martyrs were fools.

    By God’s standards, they glorified the Risen Christ.

  8. Mike Ratliff Says:

    You are absolutely right Sharon. I struggle with that one myself. I have this kernel of foolishness in me that thinks that the more I serve God the better things will get for me. Nonsense!

  9. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Coram Deo, that sounds good to me brother! :-)

  10. Mike Ratliff Says:

    fishon, be my guest brother. Let’s do it all for Jesus!

  11. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Nathan,

    The word/faith theology is heresy, you are right. I don’t think I have ever heard that one before. Wow! I used to live in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. That’s where Rhema Bible College is. Down the road apiece is Oral Roberts University. That town is awash in this stuff.

    I knew a lot of people who were “in” those ministries or in those churches. Even back then I could see the bondage they were in with their battles to “have enough faith.” It was exactly like you stated. They had to look within for it. How sad. We must pray for them to be free of this false theology.

    Thanks for your input brother.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  12. Mike Ratliff Says:

    You’re welcome “N.”

  13. Timothy Bell Says:

    Apostle Paul certainly suffered very much for the cause of Christ. Wasn’t it he who mentioned he was caught up into “third heaven?” Do you think he caught a glimpse of heaven/eternity before he came down to earth? I would think that having such an experience helped Paul to endure his extreme hardships on earth. He would have saw his afflictions were very minor and of short duration compared to the eternity he saw. I think.

  14. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Could be Timothy. We also have the Holy Spirit. If we learn to take Him seriously and conform our lives to what God wills then we will also be comforted with peace and joy in the midst of affliction.

  15. Timothy Bell Says:

    This 2003 article from one of your links, “desiring God,” is appropos.

    http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/TopicIndex/42/1528_How_Few_There_Are_Who_Die_So_Hard/

  16. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Timothy,

    Yep, John Piper has a good handle on suffering and its role on our sanctification.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  17. pturton Says:

    Great post Mike and this is a lesson that is coming clear in my life.

    Yesterday I had a dear friend tell me that she was no longer praying for my healing but for more physical strength for me. I thanked my friend but told her that I do not ask the Lord to heal me of my physical problems but to use my ailments and my life for His glory. At times I have asked my Lord to help me through some painful discomforts that I can not bear alone and He was always faithful.

    This morning as I ran down the mud road with my dog, I thanked my Lord for giving me the ability to run and enjoy the morning He created for us. Running is something I’ve not been able to do for years. Last November, most days it took about 5 minutes for me to go from here in my den up a dozen steps to the kitchen because of angina and chronic shortness of breath.

    Did I want healing – certainly. Do I want more physical strength – certainly. Will I ask the Lord for such? No, because my Lord gives me all and everything I need when I need it. All I can do is give thanks for the bountiful blessings that God has given me.

    Since the Lord opened my eyes and heart to Him 7 years ago, He has carried me through HEPC, diabetes, broken leg and ankle, chronic heart disease including heart failure and emergency bypass surgery and near death from prescribed medication interactions. Today, I still get a bit short of breath at times and still tire quickly but I’m medication and therapy free after 23 years. And my Lord has enabled me to RUN a half mile.

    I know that our Lord uses our lives as He sees fit. Maybe the Hindu lady I spoke with in the ICU, or the nurses that gave up trying to give me an IV or my HEPC treatment co-ordinator or someone else I met while getting treated had a seed watered.

    When my atheist neighbour suggested that my religion is a crutch, I responded, “I do not need religion and I do not need a crutch. My Lord God and Creator carries me over the rough spots.”

    Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Heb 4:16

    In Christ,
    Paul

  18. Rachel Says:

    Timothy Bell,
    You asked “Wasn’t it he who mentioned he was caught up into “third heaven?” Do you think he caught a glimpse of heaven/eternity before he came down to earth?”

    I believe he did and I agree with you that this most certainly strengthened him in his duties here on earth. What a priviledge. He wasn’t the first or the only one to have this happen. Look at Isaiah, Ezekiel, John! This is most interesting. Thanks for mentioning this!

  19. Rachel Says:

    Amen Mike!

  20. Yomi Adegboye Says:

    Mike and the brethren,

    Amen! The happiness and convenience of man is not the goal of the Gospel. Godliness is. We must never lose sight of this. The word-faith camp has upped the stakes. Now they are gods!

    In defense of their twist on Scriptures, one person said to me, “I can do everything God can do!” I’m thinking what the difference is between people who think, talk and act like this and Nebucadnezer.

    The health & wealth/dominion line of faith is pure apostasy. At its centre is a different Father, a different Jesus, and a very strange Holy Spirit.

    We must keep praying, teaching, correcting, and rebuking. We must keep pointing people to the real Persons of the Godhead. Maranatha!

  21. Paul Says:

    Get this…..my wife was a Rhema student in 96. How do you go from a totally false gospel to Reformed? G-O-D. If you are really His, and you listen to Him, He will get you out of those kind of ‘messes’. Reading her Bible. Amazing isn’t it?!?!

  22. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Paul (pturton),

    I read your comment with tears in my eyes brother. I believe that you have learned to lose your life, actually hate it in comparision with your life in Christ in eternity. Oh, that we could all get there brother!

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  23. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Thanks Rachel!

  24. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Amen Yomi! Well said brother!

  25. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Paul – Amen! I rejoice that Luann was brought into the light by the power of God! This should make us never give up praying for those who are in darkness. As Yomi said above, “We must keep praying, teaching, correcting, and rebuking. We must keep pointing people to the real Persons of the Godhead. Maranatha!”

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  26. Paul Says:

    Corem Deo……….AAAAAMEN BROTHER!! We can personally from experiance back up what you wrote for a comment :)

  27. Deborah Says:

    Great Article Mike,
    I do have a brother in the word/faith charismatic movement. He is no longer speaking to me. I actually found the Vineyard to be exciting but God led me out of all the Church’s one by one. We love Him more than life itself. He is our precious Saviour! Glory to God!

  28. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Deb,

    Yep, when I was in the Navy (1973-1976) I was stationed in Washington D.C. I was not saved, but I thought I was. I attended a church on Massachusetts Ave. called Christ Church. It was Charismatic. I get a lot of my knowledge about that stuff from that experience. There are alot of good people in churches like that, but their emphasis is skewed way off of the Saviour. I found that that church was fun and exciting, but where was the real Jesus? I found Him when I gave up my life to Him on His terms not mine.

    Oh Lord, give us wisdom and discernment about these things!

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  29. Deborah Says:

    I have been getting the feeling to go back to the Church of Christ. I will just have to see if they turned liberal. I haven’t been to one for years. If they turned liberal I give up on established Churchianity.

  30. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Deb,

    I think you have to take em one church at a time. I’ve been visiting different churches for over a year now. It is amazing how much of churchianity is all bound up in things other than worship of God and hearing from God’s Word. I think we need both of those things so I keep trying to find a good church.

    Even though I do not agree completly with some of the doctrine at the church we are currently visiting, I like its emphasis on the Word of God and His Sovereignty. So, we will continue there until God moves us on. One of the pastors graduated from Masters (John MacArthur’s college). The senior pastor is almost done with his doctrorate from Northland Seminary in Kansas City, which is a very good one. We’ll see.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  31. Timothy Bell Says:

    While we are on the topic of suffering, I’d like to focus on one type of suffering…physical maladies. Like Pturton above, many Christians suffer from diabetes, heart problems, thyroid problems, etc., i.e., chronic conditions. When Apostle Paul talks about suffering, is it suffering for the cause of Christ or suffering in general? Both? I wouldn’t know how a Christian would suffer diabetes for the cause of Christ.

    While God can use physical suffering for developing and maturing our faith in Him, would it be wrong to seek out the cause of the suffering and correct it? Again, I’m not talking about being physically tortured for the cause of Christ but chronic illnesses brought about by bad diet and environmental issues (chemicals, power lines).

    I was going to suggest to Pturton a resource that has healed many people of diabetes, hbpressure, obesity, and hundreds of other issues but I didn’t want it to detract from the flow of the comments.

  32. Deborah Says:

    It sad isn’t it,I have been visiting different Church’s for years. Red flag after red flag never quite buying in. He wanted me alone for a reason. To find truth. It is amazing how He does that and you know it is Him that is doing it.

  33. Paul Says:

    We have hunted and visited high and low for a good church and can not find one anywhere around where we are. Churchianity is everywhere, thats what we have found out. You long to fellowship with other true believers, but we believe the scarlot harlot is here and we have come out of her churchianity.

  34. Paul Says:

    Forgive the spelling errors because I know they are there! Wish I had a ’spell checker’ on this before I send it out…….I guess I could use the dictionary but I’d be in there all day! :)

  35. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Timothy,

    I think we have a good model for this here:

    Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. (James 5:13-15 ESV)

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  36. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Deb, yes I know what you mean. I think Paul is right, we have been called out of the Scarlet Woman. Now that our eyes are opened, it is very hard to step back into the darkness. We must rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us in this.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  37. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Paul,

    I like the rhyme. :-) You are right, there is no going back. :-)

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  38. Rachel Says:

    Mike,
    I love the verse you just wrote out for us. Especially this part, I couldn’t stop reading it over and over : ” And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.” Now, does this mean the Lord will raise him up from his sick bed or raise him up on the last day?? I ask because immediately after this it says “and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven”. What do you think?

  39. Rachel Says:

    *Also, was the “prayer of faith” being made by the elders who the sick person called to annoint him with oil and pray over him OR was the prayer that healed this person made by THAT sick person. I ask because the sick person was forgiven his sins if he committed any.

  40. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Rachel,

    The prayer of faith could be by either the sick person or those praying for him or her. The saving and raising up is both referring to coming up from the sick bed, not salvation. The reference to sins being forgiven is talking about the possibility that the sickness came upon the person because they sinned. That isn’t always the case.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  41. Deborah Says:

    Paul is right of course, I hate Churchianity ,always did. It is lonely by yourself but to spend anymore time with lukewarm Christians is to difficult. I don’t care about lunch!! Could we just talk about Jesus?! :)

  42. Mike Ratliff Says:

    Deb,

    Have you noticed how when you insist on talking about Jesus or your faith that they just tune you out and ignore you?

  43. Deborah Says:

    Mike,
    I don’t go to Church anymore but I was always surprised at the depth of people. I was more of an observer of people. The last time I remember anyone saying anything about Jesus after the service was a woman that had mental problems. She came up to me and said something about Jesus and I hugged her and agreed. I was touched.
    In my life, yes, they change the subject. I have had them tell me I was a fanatic and go to far. Then they go into there worldly talk and abuse your ears. Christians and non Christians are about the same. The non Christians just drink and swear more. They are about the same aren’t they?

  44. fishon Says:

    Deborah,
    I am a Church of Christ [instrumental] pastor, and I haven’t run into any liberal C of C yet. But like all Denoms. and Independents, the name means nothing anymore.

    A thought just accurred to me. The church I pastor would be considered liberal by the Non-instrument CofC because we use musical instruments.

    Oh the heck with the name liberal or conservative; I hope you find a Bible believing, but more importantly, Bible FOLLOWING Church. We are still out there.
    fishon

  45. Paul Says:

    We just got the book today in the mail ‘Ashamed of The Gospel’ by Johnny Mac. Talk about Jesus at church? Ahh come on guys……get real…….they want to talk about sports, shopping, who’s doing what with and to who…….Jesus? Who’s He?? They will totally tune you out and think you’re some sort of a fanatic. Here comes that favorite adjective Mike………Pathetic!!!

  46. Deborah Says:

    fishon,

    That’s great! A C of C minister. Well you sure came to the right place, didn’t you? I did go to a non instrumental C of C. :) I did check into my former congregation last year via web site. Guess what the ladies were studying? Purpose Driven Life. I could not believe it! I don’t live in that town anymore. There are a couple of C of C here, so I will go check them out. Even though they aren’t reformed. :) Unless you live in NE Iowa then I might show up at yours. :)

  47. Paul Says:

    Deb, We checked the web site and found a few ‘Reformed’ churches in NE Iowa? Do you want us to send the list to you and see if you have either heard of them or went there already? We did a check quite awhile back but they are probably still there.

  48. Deborah Says:

    Paul, I think there is one in Waterloo Ia. I live 45 minutes away. You could send me a list though. Thank you
    I also live about an hr from Cedar Rapids

  49. pturton Says:

    Timothy,

    There is only one Resource for life and that is the Lord.

    You missed the line in my post that said the Lord carried me _through_ these ailments. My diabetes is controlled by diet and exercise – my doctor says it’s gone, the HEPC cleared after a year of CHEMO, my heart has no blockages and I need no medications.

    My shortness of breath comes from the fact that I lost 33% of my heart 24 years ago when I was 38 because a doctor diagnosed me as having a pinched nerve in my shoulder and sent me home while I was having a heart attack. More than one doctor has told me that I should not be here but God is in control.

    The point of my post was to show that we are just clay and the Lord is the potter. We can have no complaint at all to our Creator for whatever conditions we find ourselves in.

    Paul

  50. Once confused Says:

    fishon, where do you pastor? We should all go one day!

    Timothy Bell, I think you bring up some good questions. We are not to name it and claim it, BUT we should not go so far to the other end of the spectrum that we forget Jesus (and Paul!…thank you Mike!) told us to ask for things in prayer, and even that in some cases we have not because we ask not. I also totally agree that these things, as with all difficulties, mature us in Him. But boy my heart goes out to those who physically suffer.

    pturton, God bless you! I have weak lungs and run also to strengthen them. Keep pressing on.

    Rachel, you are cute as a button. :-)

    God bless everybody.

  51. Yomi Adegboye Says:

    Timothy asked a salient question. In very simple terms, as believers we have a right to ask; but not a right to have. How do we ask? With an attitude that submits to God’s will. The apostle James said a few pointed things about this in his epistle.

    As a pastor, I have prayed for people’s healing and seen some healed and yet others strengthened in their illness. Understanding the sovereignty of God helps us see that even in sickness (though it may be caused by negligence or some other causes), God works all things out for our good according to His purpose.

    I was word of faith for years, so I understand the thought-pattern of that camp. It is an attitude of ‘a right to have’. In other words, I must never be ill; it is not God’s will for me to suffer one day, etc. Like Paul’s wife, God brought me out by moving me to study my Bible and the materials of others. And what darkness it was I lived in!

    It is never wrong to seek healing, medically or in prayer. But what we must never do is arrogate to ourselves the authority we do not have. Sometimes, God permits sickness in our lives for an effectual outworking of His grace. We do not know what Paul’s thorn in the flesh was, but:

    1. he sought God to remove it (so we see that the Bible does not teach that we should not ask)
    2. God did not remove it, but kept him instead (we see that the right to ask is not a right to have)

    Suffering from illness is certainly not ’suffering for Christ’ in the direct sense. But God certainly uses the good, the bad, and the ugly providentially in our lives, if we will keep our hearts right.

    NB: By the way, inspite of the loud noise made by proponents of health and wealth, they do struggle with infirmities like we all do. For the most part, they simply live in denial (”I am healed; there is no sick bone in my body!”). Like others, they take ill and need medical attention. Significantly, many word-faith ministers continue to die of disease and sickness. Their ‘gospel’ is just not true anyway, though they are blind to that reality.

    I hope this response helps, Tim! Stay blessed in Christ.

  52. Timothy Bell Says:

    Thanks Pturton, Mike, and Once Confused for your comments. I certainly agree that we pray and seek God’s will in all things, including illnesses. But I tend to believe that God, as part of His answer, leads us to information and knowledge about healing, not just conventional (profit-driven) medicine. Do you consider trying to eat the right way for health and healing an attempt at trusting your own efforts at healing without God? I considered the knowledge about food and it’s effect on health to be part of God’s answer to prayers.

  53. Timothy Bell Says:

    Thanks Yomi for your comments! For some reason I didn’t see your post until after I posted the above.

    I presently do not suffer but I am on my way to suffering like my mother did if I don’t veer course diet-wise. So I am in preventive mode. Some may say “Just trust God for your health, don’t change anything.” I agree with the first part but if I don’t want blisters on my feet, I wear shoes…..If I don’t want to get sunburned, I stay inside. If I don’t want to suffer diabetes or whathaveyou, I change what I’ve been doing. I just trust God to give me knowledge to know what to do. Is that considered ‘trusting in my own strength?’ In my belief, it is still trusting God for everything.

    I guess we all have different ways of looking at how God works and answers prayers.

  54. Yomi Adegboye Says:

    Tim,

    You are right about our need to be responsible about how and what we eat. But we do know that inspite of all that, people still fall ill. When and if that happens, we are to trust God for our healing.

    Cheers!

  55. lori Says:

    Great Post!

  56. fishon Says:

    Deborah,
    I pastor a small, rural church in Central Oregon. Wheat, Rattlesnake, and Steelhead country.

    Ok, here goes!! Three years ago I took the congregation through 40 days of Purpose. That doesn’t make me liberal–that makes me a pastor that can MAKE BIG MISTAKES. It was a flop–a great big flop.

    Praise the Lord, in spite of me taking them through the program, no damage done. NOT A WORD has been spoken about it since we finished it.

    Enough of confusions–YOU MAKE IT a great day. And remember, THE BOOK, the one that matters, says, “Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves….”
    fishon

  57. Rachel Says:

    Dear Once Confused,
    :-) Thank you :-)

  58. Rachel Says:

    Thank you Mike!

  59. Deborah Says:

    fishon,

    I consider being here as assembling ,as we gather here daily. On Sunday and sometimes Friday night I assemble with Steve Lumley from apostasy watch on pal talk. Sometimes I assemble with my parents or other Christians and I don’t mind a bit talking about the Lord.

  60. Melissa Says:

    Deborah,

    I assemble with the ApostasyWatch studies, too, sometimes!

  61. Deborah Says:

    Do you know what I have gotten from someone I know just by saying someone needed Jesus? A look of disdain. I got one from a stranger once for suggesting that Jesus might be returning soon,even though the friend she was with jumped right in and agreed. That is really sad isn’t it? Look out is right. This is going to get bad if people who claim to love us get that look. Can you imagine how it’s going to be with people who hate Jesus. Come Lord Jesus, come quickly!!

  62. Deborah Says:

    Melissa, That’s great! Do you use your name Melissa?

  63. Melissa Says:

    No, I use “truthseeker_acts1711.”


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