An Examination of the Word-Faith Movement Part 2

by Mike Ratliff

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15 ESV)

I have debated Pelagians. I have debated Atheists. I have debated Agnostics. I have debated Campbellites. I have debated Semi-Pelagians and Arminians. I have debated Antinomians. I have debated Hyper-Calvinists. In every case I must say that I would much rather debate believers who have the same respect for the Word of God that I have. The hardest to debate are those whose Bible knowledge is superficial at best. What little they have has been spoon-fed to them from their favorite teacher of whatever Biblical error they hold. Instead of searching the scripture to see if what I say is so, they quote Brother So and So or read some commentary or book that supports their doctrine.

The Word-Faith adherents are the worst that I have encountered. If you counter what they say or teach with scripture that clearly refutes their point, they simply say they know I’m wrong and I just need to give them time to find out what passage says that I’m wrong then they will get back with me. Well, we must never forget that using scripture out of context is the mechanism of some of the worst heresies. I have yet to have one of them successfully counter the truth from God’s Word. Since they are obviously not following what God’s Word clearly teaches us, their errors continue to get worse and worse. Sadly, the numbers of their followers also seem to continue to expand.

Yesterday we left off with the Word-Faith movement’s demotion of Christ. We saw that their doctrine, such as it is, is based entirely on elevating Man to the status of God and demoting God to the status of Man. I pray that you see the parallel of that blasphemy with this statement about Satan himself.

“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’ (Isaiah 14:12-14 ESV)

If we couple a very shallow Bible knowledge that is man-based and not inhabited by the working of the Holy Spirit with Satan’s work we find a religious brew that sounds good and feels good to people who are flesh based. The largest Church in the United States is in Houston, Texas. Joel Osteen pastors it. This man’s ministry is based on one thing, being positive. He tells those who listen to him exactly what they want to hear. His ministry is Word-Faith based as his father’s was.

We must remember that none of these Word-Faith preachers would have a ministry if they didn’t have millions of dollars pouring in from those who have hired them to tickle their ears.

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV)

One of the myths that they hear is that Jesus was recreated from divine to demonic, taking on the very nature of Satan.

Benny Hinn claimed that the Holy Ghost personally told him: “Ladies and gentlemen, the serpent is a symbol of Satan. Jesus Christ knew the only way He would stop Satan is by becoming one in nature with him. You say, ‘What did you say? What blasphemy is this?’ No, you hear this! He did not take my sin; He became my sin. Sin is the nature of hell. Sin is what made Satan…It was sin that made Satan. Jesus said, “I’ll be sin! I’ll go to the lowest place! I’ll go to the origin of it! I won’t just take part in it, I’ll be the totality of it!” When Jesus became sin, sir, He took it from A to Z and said, “No more!” Think about this: He became flesh, that flesh might become like Him. He became death, so dying man can live. He became sin, so sinners can be righteous in Him. He became one with the nature of Satan, so all those who had the nature of Satan can partake of the nature of God.” (Benny Hinn, Benny Hinn program on TBN (December 15, 1990).

Kenneth Hagin also claims that Jesus Christ took on the nature of Satan, “[s]piritual death means something more than separation from God. Spiritual death also means having Satan’s nature…Jesus tasted death—spiritual death—for every man.” (Kenneth E. Hagin, The Name of Jesus (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1981), 31.

Fredrick Price alleges that Jesus Christ was re-created spiritually—not on the cross, but rather in the Garden of Gethsemane: “Somewhere between the time He [Jesus] was nailed to the cross and when He was in the Garden of Gethsemane—somewhere in there—He died spiritually. Personally, I believe it was while He was in the garden.” Price, who was reared in a Jehovah’s Witness environment mimics the Mormon Apostle James E. Talmage, who taught precisely the same thing in his book Jesus the Christ. (Frederick K. C. Price, Identification #3 (Inglewood, CA: Ever Increasing Faith Ministries, 1980), tape #FP545, side 1.

Copeland says that Jesus became a sign of Satan when He was hanging on the cross: “The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?” You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, “Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there—the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?” And the Lord said, “Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.” He said, “I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.” (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1990), audiotape #02-0017, side 2.

Jesus did not take on Satan’s character. He was the Lamb of God, sinless and perfect, whose sacrifice paid the penalty for MY sin. God imputed MY sin to Jesus and imputed His righteousness to me. He was the propitiation for us. A parallel to this from the Old Testament took place on Yom Kipper when the scapegoat was taken out of the city, the High Priest would lay his hands on the goat symbolically transferring the sins of the people to the poor animal. Then it was driven away. Christ did that for us. However, He did it once for all. We don’t have to repeat our belief in Him annually and symbolically be saved. Christ died on the cross, was buried then was resurrected by God. Where was He during that time between His death and resurrection? The Word-Faith teachers tell us that Jesus went to Hell.

In the words of one Faith teacher, “Satan conquered Jesus upon the Cross.” Proponents of Faith theology say that Jesus endured three days and nights of unimaginable abuse at the hands of Satan and his hordes of demons in hell. This was God’s payment to Satan so that He could get back into a universe from which He had been banished.

According to Frederick Price: “Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid your price. No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God…Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a net over Jesus and dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence.” (Frederick K.C. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messanger (June 1980), 7.

Kenneth Hagin’s version: “He [Jesus] tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? Physical death wouldn’t remove your sins. He’s tasted death for every man. He’s talking about tasting spiritual death.” (Kenneth E. Hagin, How Jesus Obtained His Name (Tulsa, OK: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, n.d.), tape #44H01, side 1.

Kenneth Copeland’s version: “When Jesus cried, ‘It is finished!’ He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. There were still three days and nights to go through before He went to the throne…Jesus’ death on the cross was only the beginning of the complete work of redemption.” (Kenneth Copeland, Jesus—Our Lord of Glory, Believer’s Voice of Victory 10, 4 (April 1982):3.

Jan Crouch, the wife of TBN president Paul Crouch, approvingly recited the following words from Paul Billheimer’s book during a live communion service aired on TBN: “Because He was “made sin,” impregnated with sin, and became the very essence of sin, on the cross He was banished from God’s presence as a loathsome thing. He and sin were made synonymous…[I]t was not sufficient for Christ to offer up only His physical life on the cross. His pure human spirit had not “descend” into hell…His spirit must not only descend into hell, but into the lowest hell…The Father turned Him over, not only to the agony and death of Calvary, but to the satanic torturers of His pure spirit as part of the just dessert of the sin of all the race. As long as Christ was “the essence of sin” he was at Satan’s mercy in that place of torment…While Christ identified with sin, Satan and the hosts of hell ruled over Him as over any lost sinner. During that seemingly endless age in the nether abyss of death, Satan did with Him as he would, and all hell was “in carnival.” (Paul Billheimer, Destined for the Throne, special edition for TBN (Fort Washington, PA: Christian Literature Crusade, 1988 [orig. 1975]), 83-84. Quoted by Jan Crouch during the “Praise the Lord” program TBN (August 20, 1987).

Where did this come from? I used the following passage in a lesson I taught in a Youth Sunday School class back in the early 1990’s.

“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. (Acts 2:29-33 ESV)

At the end of my lesson one of the boys asked me if Jesus went to Hell when He died. I said that He was not condemned to Hell like a lost person. He then quoted part of the passage above along with 1 Peter 3:18-20, which is below.

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water. (1 Peter 3:18-20 ESV)

It was then that I remembered that this young man’s father was always quoting Kenneth Copeland. Do you see how someone can be deceived and follow false teachers if they do not know their Bibles very well? Satan did not defeat Christ at the cross. Our Lord’s death on our behalf was a tremendous victory. He was not in Hell those three days and nights as a prisoner. He was a conqueror. Hell is not Satan’s funhouse where he rules and reigns. It is a prison for those who disobey God. Our Lord never did that.

However, according to the Word-Faith teachers Jesus was recreated from a divine to a demonic being. At this point the Trinity was destroyed and the deity of Christ utterly demolished. According to the Faith teachers, the Lord Jesus’ passion on the cross proved insufficient to redeem humankind. Therefore, He had to be trapped and hauled down to the very pit of hell by Satan. It is there that Jesus is tortured and tormented by Satan and the demons.

Copeland explains that, “[I]n hell He [Jesus] suffered for you and for me. The Bible says hell was made for Satan and his angels. It was not made for men. Satan was holding the Son of God there illegally…The trap was set for Satan and Jesus was the bait.” (Kenneth Copeland, Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1979), 77. Satan blew it on a technicality, according to Faith theology, because Satan had dragged Jesus into hell illegally. As Copeland puts it, “The Devil forgot to take into consideration that Jesus hadn’t sinned Himself but, rather, had merely become sin as a result of the sin of others.” (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne (Fort Worth, TX: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1990), audiotape #02-0017, side 2. Satan and every demon in hell tortured Christ’s allegedly “emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit” without legal right. (Kenneth Copeland, Believer’s Voice of Victory program (April 21, 1991). And this was exactly the opening God had been looking for. Seizing the moment, He spoke His faith-filled words into the bowels of the earth, and suddenly—“[t]hat Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles…Jesus was born again—the first-born from the dead.” (Kenneth Copeland, The Price of it All, Believer’s Voice of Victory 19, 9 (September 1991):4-6. Kenneth Copeland called upon revelation knowledge when he said: “The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, ‘Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.’ He said, ‘Think this way—a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.’ And I threw my Bible down…like that. I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.’ He said, ‘You are the very image, the very copy of that one.’ I said, ‘Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?’ He said, ‘Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could’ve done the same thing, ‘cause you’re a reborn man too.” (Kenneth Copeland, Substitution and Identification (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), tape #00-0202, side 2.

Benny Hinn, too, received some “revelation knowledge” on the “rebirth” of Christ in hell: “My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. I’m getting dizzy! I’m telling you the truth—it’s, it’s just heavy right now on me…He’s [referring to Jesus] in the underworld now. God isn’t there, the Holy Ghost isn’t there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say, ‘What are you talking about?’…He was reborn. He had to be reborn…If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say, “Jesus, You went through everything I’ve gone through, except the new birth?” (Benny Hinn, Our Position ‘In Christ,’ Part 1 (Orlando, FL: Orlando Christian Center, 1991), videotape #TV-254.

Jan Crouch read Paul Billheimer’s commentary on TBN stating, “[I]n order to be made alive unto God and restored to fellowship with His Father, He [Jesus] had to be reborn—for He had become the very essence of sin. Since sin had totally alienated Him from the Father, the only way He could be restored to fellowship with the Father was through a new birth to new life.” (Paul Billheimer, Destined for the Throne, special edition for TBN (Fort Washington, PA: Christian Literature Crusade, 1988 [orig. 1975]), 83-84. Quoted by Jan Crouch during the “Praise the Lord” program TBN (August 20, 1987).

Do you see how they base this on tiny bits of scripture taken out of context then embellish it with their “revelations from God?” Copeland says that if he had had the same knowledge of the Word of God that Jesus had that he could have died for my and your sins. Really? Where is that in the Bible? Don’t waste your time looking for it. It isn’t there. No where does it says the Jesus was Reborn or Born Again. The Word does tell us that Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, becoming a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. (Hebrews 6:20) However, it does not contain any of the myths these false teachers are espousing.

If we shine the light of truth into the darkness of the Word-Faith movement we best expect a backlash. The Word-Faith teachers expect everyone to accept their authority and teachings without criticism or testing. If anyone challenges them they immediately claim that they are being divisive and refuse to discuss anything. For example, Christian Research Institute, a very reputable and trustworthy counter-cult and apologetic ministry, devoted a week of radio programs to exposing the errors of the Word-Faith movement. Immediately after the shows were aired, Paul Crouch had this to say about CRI during his televised “Praise-a-thon” program amid shouts of “amen” and “you tell ‘em brother” from the studio audience:

I think God’s given up on a lot of that old rotten Sanhedrin religious crowd, twice dead, plucked up by the roots. I think they’re damned and on their way to hell and I don’t think there’s any redemption for them…the heresy hunters that want to find a little mote of illegal doctrine in some Christian’s eye and pluck that little mote out of their eye when they’ve got the whole forest in their own lives and in their own eyes. I say to hell with you! Oh hallelujah. Get out of God’s way, quit blocking God’s bridges or God’s gonna shoot you if I don’t! I refuse to argue any longer with any of you out there. Don’t even call me. If you want to argue doctrine, if you want to straighten out somebody over here, if you want to criticize Ken Copeland for his preaching on faith, or Dad Hagin. Get out of my life! I don’t even want to talk to you or hear you. I don’t want to see your ugly face! Get out of my face in Jesus’ name.” Paul Crouch, “Praise-a-thon” broadcast on TBN, recorded 4/2/91

Now let us back away from this for a bit. Consider this, The lies and false teachings of the Word-Faith sound unique, but if you take a close look at the Emergent movement, the new Evangelism, the ReThinking of Christianity movement via the Norman Vincent Peale/Robert Schuller teachings, etc., is there a common denominator? Are we talking about various aberrations of Christianity or are we seeing the multifaceted work of our enemy, Satan, bearing fruit in the fertile soil of apostate, professing Christians?

I have a close relative who is deep into the Word-Faith movement. I watched him jump from a very conservative SBC church in the late 1980’s to church after church with each one going deeper and deeper into Pentecostalism ending up in Carlton Pearson’s New Dimensions Church in Tulsa for a while before going full-bore into Word-Faith. I confronted him about it several times, but I was rebuffed each time with his condescending attitude that he knew much more about Christianity than I would ever know. However, when I used scripture to prove my point, the conversation would abruptly end. It is heartbreaking.

What can we do? We must never stop praying for the truth to penetrate the darkness these people are in. We must never stop telling the truth in love to them. We must always be alert that our own walk is true and that we are abiding in Christ, fully obeying Him in all things. If we try to confront these folks without our own walk being where it should be, we are asking for trouble because demonic forces protect these “ministries”. However, that is nothing compared to God’s power.

34 thoughts on “An Examination of the Word-Faith Movement Part 2

  1. Mike,
    I have found that it’s almost impossible to discuss Scripture with a person who insists on “What does this verse mean to me?’ rather than “What does this verse mean.” Did your close relative approach Scripture with a proper biblical method of interpretation when they were in the conservative SBC?

  2. Given all the homegrown heretics which have sprung up within the hothouse environment of the lukewarm Laodician church it’s little wonder we see the heretofore unheard of acceptance and tolerance toward “mainstreaming” outright cults like the LDS into the fold of modern apostatizing evangelicalism.

    When the professing churches are willing to accept rank Trinity denying heretics like T.D. Jakes, emergent apostates like Brian McLaren and Doug Pagitt, Word Faith positive confession deceivers like Joel Osteen, and Bible-lite New Agers like Rick Warren with open arms it’s a fair bet that the Glory of the Lord has departed and that they’ve been given over to the carnal lusts of their flesh in order to have their itching ears tickled by false teachers.

    These ecumenical roads are converging, and even though the signposts along the way read “This Way to Heaven” you can rest assured that they end up at the very gates of hell.

    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: (Matthew 7:13)

  3. Its sort of ironic that these guys call themselves the wof’ers. They do everything BUT walk by faith. And none of them know their Word!! Everything they do is to tickle the ears and have a ‘feel-ie’ good time. Like I said one time on another blog site, Can you imagine Jesus doing the floppy chicken on the hill side when the ‘spirit’ got ahold of Him, and Peter saying to the crowd, ‘Oh no need to worry here folks……….He’s just been slain in the spirit, He’ll be alright.’ HA!! What a pathetic joke this false movement is. I could write a book on the stuff the wife and I saw when we were up to our necks in this mess. Praise God He got us out of there. And do you know how He did it? We read our Bibles!! Imagine that!! Also, we are the Lords so He opened our eyes and ears to the falseness of it all. You are doing a good job here Mike……..keep it up and we will continue to hold you up in our prayers. Someone needs to tackle these serpents in sheeps clothing. May the Lord continue to use you for His glory Mike.

  4. Mike,
    Good research! I do pray for my brother. Yes, they can be very boastful about their heretical beliefs. I know as my brother accused me of not reading the Bible as EVERYONE in the family knew that Jesus went to hell for our sins but me. Funny but my Mom had no idea either. :)
    Maybe you can write an article about binding Satan next. :)

  5. …the heresy hunters that want to find a little mote of illegal doctrine

    A little mote?!!

    If anyone ever questioned the importance of studying Biblical doctrines, reading these posts should put those questions to rest.

    I thank God that the fundamentalist church I was raised in–although it had problems–the church did teach me the basics of the Gospel and the Trinity. These teachings protected me when, forty years later, Christ saved me, and I went to the internet to learn about God. I came across some of these teachings and “knew” to stay away from them. Praise God!

    Thanks Mike for all your hard work, and for exposing these false teachers with their own words.

  6. Word Faith teachings are based on all of Satan’s temptations that he used with both Eve in the garden and Jesus in the wilderness. I’ve pointed this out to some Word Faith folks and only got hisses and pops as a response.

  7. My wife’s sister recently died from cancer. Her sister was deeply entrenched in the Word Faith movement. She was told by her pastor and believed that going to a doctor for treatment was a lack of faith. She did pursue all sorts of alternative treatments but in the end the cancer ran its course. She would attend as many Word Faith functions as possible and got involved in as many Word Faith activities as she could trying to prove her “faith.” She even went to a “fake healer” and went through an exorcisim. She would run around “praising Jesus” because she was “healed” even though all the symtoms were still there. She eventually blamed her cancer on those of us that didn’t buy into her Word Faith nonsense because of our “negative confession.” meaning we would say the word cancer around her and that is why she had cancer. In the end she alienatied our whole family with her bogus beliefs and died while in Mexico undergoing another bogus treatment to the tune of $20,000. The grave yards are full of Word Faith followers that died of some sort of disease and they still can’t admit that their beliefs are bogus and dangerous.

  8. Alice,

    Yes, his approach to scripture was that very thing. He was one who was always desperate for fulfillment and he had to go after ever increasing sensational religious experiences. If that isn’t being self-centered then I don’t know what is.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  9. George,

    Thanks for sharing that. The thin religious veneer that the Word-Faith apostasy has has captured so many and caused their faith to crumble. Of course, they never had genuine faith to begin with. God keeps his own.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  10. Sadly, the ones that really get snared into this white witchcraft are the baby christians that are not yet exercised in discernment. They end up with like-minded fellowships and grow in this heretical belief. That is what happened to me. At the time I started questioning this WOF stuff I was diagnosed with M.S. Our spiritual son came to visit before heading off to serve our country. As I was telling him about the diasgnosis, he kept rebuking the word “multiple sclerosis” every time I said it. My heart grieved as I listened to him! He even broke out into prayer of which I didn’t pray because my jaw had dropped in astonishment at how ridiculous he sounded. That cemented it for me that the teaching was heretical. I told our spiritual son to get away from Kenneth Copeland’s teaching and stop the WOF stuff. My prayers for those I love and know, who are WOF ers are more of groans than words. It is so grievious to see this among those I love. BTW, I caved in to having a spinal tap and I do not have MS. I am sure our spiritual son thinks God answered his rebuke of it. Sad, indeed!

  11. Sherry C.,

    I rejoice that you do not have MS! God is good and you are right that it wasn’t the rebuke that did that. You are right about those snared into this are not mature or discerning. Oh shine your light of truth into this darkness Lord!

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  12. Good posts Mike,

    You already know that God brought me out of that stuff. I look back at the years I learnt, believed and later taught many of those WoF stuff in shame and shock. But I’m so glad I’m out.

    Thankfully, the congregation I pastored walked out with me. My heart would have been broken if even a single one of them had stayed on in the darkness. It is a miracle indeed! And God who raises the spiritually dead to life be praised!

    Like others, my eyes began to pop open as I studied the Bible for truth; not for results, or some personal revelation.

  13. Mike,

    You quote 2 Timothy 4:3-4 in your post. This is a key passage to understanding what is going on with these WOF teachers and their followers. Paul says a time is approaching “when people will not endure sound teaching.” Why must sound teaching, that is the truth of God’s Word, be endured? Is not the answer obvious? The truth of God always opposes the flesh nature of man. To embrace the truth of God one must endure the opposition of the flesh as it seeks to keep its ascendency in the life of a true disciple of Christ. There is a vast difference between seeking to be Christ like and seeking to be equal to Christ. The former requires death to the flesh nature but the latter gives freedom and exultation to the flesh man. Notice that those teaching this idea of Christ being tortured in hell always end up declaring equality with Christ. It is no coincidence that every one of these teachers exhibits a Messiah complex. That is, they are answerable to no one and expect everyone to acknowledge them as God’s anointed (Christ means anointed one). What they offer their followers is the same thing Satan offered to Jesus; power, wealth and glory. Far from being a true follower of Christ and refusing to worship Satan these WOF teachers are more than willing to exchange their souls for what Satan’s offers. Paul states it quite clearly. The followers of these teachers want teachings that excite their passions (the flesh) and will turn away from listening to the truth. The testimonies of some of those who have responded to your post verify Paul’s declaration. May the Lord grant these wanderers repentance and open their hearts to the true humble and dependent walk with Jesus that all true believers aspire to.

    Loddie

  14. Yes we need to wake from our sleep and that is What the true gospel does shed light in dark areas , i believe if we would be patient in listening and not judge by apperance we would not be decieved we would decern through the holy spirit and the word what is false from true, there are some teaching i realize that are missing in the charismatic movement mainly , abiding in Christ, mainly the teachers don’t teach us about this they don’t seem to dwell on it or can speak to us on that level i don;t say all but most,

  15. Brothers and sisters I ask that you not shun all of the WOF leaders and followers as you read Mike Ratliff’s words and quotes from the Word of God and the WOF leaders quotes, but keep searching your Bibles and praying for the lost. Mike has done a wonderful job in laying 2 Timothy 3 out on the table. To some it is as clear as day, but to others it is not. In 2 Timothy 2: 20-26 RSV it reads: In a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver but also of wood and earthenware, and some for noble use, some for ignoble. If any one purifies himself from what is ignoble, then he will be a vessel for noble use, consecrated and useful to the mater of the house, ready for any good work. So shun youthful passions and aim at righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call upon the Lord from a pure heart. Have nothing to do with stupid, senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing, correcting his opponents with gentleness. ***God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

    In verse 25 ***

    There is Hope for all and as a servant of the Lord it my desire to pray for the protection of His children no matter where they are today, or what form of the devils snare they have fallen upon. The Lord is the only one that can save them from the devils snare; we must pray that the Lord will give them discernment to the need for escape and the direction they should take.

  16. basically the false teachers don;t know about abiding in christ if one look clearly one can see its the fallen human nature at work that does not give glory to God it cannot because it is oppose to God,

  17. Well Family Christian Shop,

    I will not fellowship with heresy. Will I pray for those in error? Absolutely, but I will not allow their leaven to contaminate what is holy. Your admonition to be not be quarelsome, etc. is correct and we should do that EXCEPT where it comes to heresy and apostasy. Then we are to biblically correct them with the hope that God will draw them to Himself. However, if these fellows continue in their apostasy and error then I will continue to expose and tell the truth because that is also in scripture that we are to do so.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  18. Mike,

    By no means did I leave my comment to offend you. I totally agree the WOF movement is a problem for some of Gods children, and His children are being driven into darkness by it. I only wanted to point that out and that we should pray for His children’s eyes to be opened so they can escape this darkness and once again follow the lighted narrow path He has provided.

    I do not believe you are being quarrelsome but as the Lord’s servant an apt teacher, forbearing, correcting his opponents with gentleness.

  19. FCS,

    (What is your name? I find it very strange to refer to you as Family Christian Shop) :-)

    I appreciate your comment. I have a sore spot with the WoF stuff because I have close family member, whom I do love, in it. How do I handle that? I am friendly with them except when it comes to their “religion.” Then someone usually gets their feelings hurt. In any case, I am sorry that my comment was a little too direct. I appreciate your comments here brother (or is it sister?)

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

  20. Mike,

    Sorry, I had to pick my son up from school.

    My name is Kristine and my blog is connected to my business site. Sorry, I’ll have to make some changes for my comments. I have a few family members that are lost themselves and not to the WOF movement, but just lost. As a matter of fact I was once very lost myself. I can only love them the best I know how, and not force my beliefs on them. Although, they do know in whom I believe and where I stand. They also know that I am there for them. As I am sure your family member knows deep down that you are too. As I grow older, my list of names on my prayer list grows longer. But the Bible tells us that God’s Grace is sufficient and His Grace is there for you and me both. He is our strength through all of this so don’t let go. He also says He will not go against our will. So maybe our prayers for our loved ones should be for their will to break and for the Holy Spirit to fill them with the will of God in their lives. Gods plan is so much more than we can comprehend and He is not lost and knows exactly where this is all going and where it will end. Sometimes I am in such a state of frustration that I just have to back away from the outside and spend more time at the feet of Jesus. I hope this helps, and I will add you and your family to my prayer list. Be blessed and stay in The Word of God.

  21. I have seen the devistation caused my WOF at my local chuch. It is like the whole chuch is mesmorized.

    It is my belief that WOF faith is asserting ones will over others and God. It is witchcraft and socery in disguise. WOF adherents are dabbling in the occult. It is for that reason they are blinded.

  22. Well said Dave. I it is very sad and we need to see these things and move even closer to God in our obedience. I believe God has given them over to this and they are to be a warning to us. In fact, from their disobedience we see appreciate God’s grace all the more.

  23. Another wonderful and right on article Mike. It is so hard when you have family that are WOFers..if you don’t stand with them, they stand against you!!! But Father is good, and I am blessed and I am getting so much from you articles. I may not post often, but I do read and I do learn and I do lift you and all those who are posting in prayer.
    Keep up the good work and following the will of our Father

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