by Mike Ratliff
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12 ESV)
We affirm that the text of Scripture is to be interpreted by grammatico-historical exegesis, taking account of its literary forms and devices, and that Scripture is to interpret Scripture. We deny the legitimacy and any treatment of the text or quest for sources lying behind it that leads to relativizing, dehistoricizing, or discounting its teaching, or rejecting its claims to authorship. – Article XVIII of The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy October 1978
The authority of the Bible is based on its being the written Word of God, and because the Bible is the Word of God and the God of the Bible is truth and speaks truthfully, authority is linked to inerrancy. If the Bible is the Word of God, and if God is a God of truth, then the Bible must be inerrant–not merely in some of its parts, as some modern theologians are saying, but totally, as the church for the most part has said down through the ages of its history.➀
One of the many ‘attacks’ this ministry has received since its inception has been on our treatment of scripture as inerrant and that it has authority over the Christian Church. With that said, I would like to address one of the latest attempts by a certain self-proclaimed ‘prophet’ to distract me from the ‘mission’ God has given us to proclaim the truth to the Church that God’s people might forsake their fleshly ways as they turn their hearts back to Him, to live for His glory, enjoy Him, and be separate from the spiritual pollution of this world.
On Friday last I opened my email after dinner and a game of Scrabble with my wife to find that there were over 40 unmoderated comments on our post How to Detect a False Prophet. Along with that was a separate email from someone named Sara. Here is the email.
Sara Schmidt to me
Name: Sara Schmidt
Email: sara@thepathoftruth.com
Website: http://www.thepathoftruth.comHi Mike,
I tried to post Victor’s reply to you in your blog, and, as you can probably see, I had to break it into five parts to do so. I accidentally messed up the last post (#5), and it repeated itself. Would you be able to take out everything following Victor’s first sign-off before posting? Or should I re-submit Part 5?
Thanks,
Sara
Of course I recognized who Victor was and who was behind all of those comments. I went into the moderation folder for my blog and found that Victor through Sara had posted a reply to every comment on that article along with a five part ‘prophecy’ against me and this ministry. I spent the next hour or so deleting and reading. It was so interesting that Victor had made these ‘prophecies’ as if he had the authority to address everything we said, even if it had absolutely nothing to do with him and his ‘family.’ However, the one that really got my attention was the five parter about me. He claimed that I was totally unqualified to determine who was a real Bible teacher and who wasn’t. Why? I was taught by men how to study the Bible so I didn’t know how to do it right, etc. Upon what did he base this? It was all based on the authority God has supposedly given to him as a prophet that he is perfect and knows all things. If anyone disagrees with what he teaches, even using clear Biblical exegesis, they are wrong, because they are attacking one who has perfect knowledge.
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16 ESV)
I pray that you see that our source of truth must be God’s Word, not what some self-proclaimed prophet says is the truth. All genuine Christians have the Holy Spirit. One of the products of the Protestant Reformation was this slogan: Testimonium Spiritus Sancti internum. This Latin slogan was used to indicate the internal testimony of the Holy Spirit. As we tackle whether the Church is to listen to ‘prophets’ or the Word of God this internal testimony becomes vital. As the passage above states, all Scripture is breathed out by God. This was Paul telling Timothy that the Word of God is inspired by God and the Holy Spirit’s role is to initiate and superintend its revelation. We know this because the Greek word he used for ‘breathed’ concerns the Spirit’s work in assisting both the reader and writer of the Word. He helps us achieve clarity in understanding the content of the Word.
Can we trust the canon of Scripture? Is the Bible we have correct. Have there been books left out that should be included or books included that needed to left out. John Calvin addressed this concern in his Institutes of the Christian Religion.
A most pernicious error has very generally prevailed–viz. that Scripture is of importance only insofar as conceded to it by the suffrage of the Church; as if that eternal and inviolable truth of God could depend on the will of men. With great insult to the Holy Spirit, it is asked, who can assure us that the Scriptures proceeded from God; who can guarantee that they have come down safe and unimpaired to our times; who can persuade us that his book is to be received with reverence, and that one expunged from the list; did not the Church regulate all these things with certainty? On the determination of the Church, therefore, it is said, depend both the reverence which is due to Scripture and the books which are to be admitted into the canon. – John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Chapter 7, Section 1.
These ravings are admirably refuted by a single expression of an apostle. Paul testifies that the Church is ‘built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets” (Eph. 2:20). If the doctrine of the apostles and prophets is the foundation of the Church, the former must have had its certainty before the latter began to exist….For if the Christian Church was founded at first on the writings of the prophets, and the preaching of the apostles, that doctrine, wheresoever it may be found, was certainly ascertained and sanctioned and antecedently to the Church, since, but for this, the Church herself never could have existed. – John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Chapter 7, Section 2.
Calvin shows us that the internal testimony of the Spirit is vital not only to theology in general but to doctrine in particular. The Church is subordinate to Scripture, not the other way round. This is why it is so tragic today as we see men such as Rick Warren twist God’s Word in order to make it appear to support his Purpose Driven Church model. Sadly, he isn’t the only one doing this and the results are multitudes of churches whose sheep are not being fed good spiritual food, but are given men’s philosophy and an edited gospel.
Nothing, therefore, can be more absurd than the fiction, that the power of judging Scripture is in the Church, and that on her nod its certainty depends. When the church receives it, and gives it the stamp of her authority, she does not make that authentic which was otherwise doubtful or controverted, but acknowledging it as the truth of God, she, as in duty bound, shows her reverence by an unhesitating assent. – John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Chapter 7, Section 2.
What does the Bible itself say about the Church’s certainty of Scripture being true? Again we must look at the work of the Holy Spirit in securing our confidence in God’s Word. Here are a few.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:3-6 ESV)
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10 ESV)
I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one. (1 John 2:14 ESV)
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. (1 John 5:20 ESV)
that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God’s mystery, which is Christ, (Colossians 2:2 ESV)
because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake. (1 Thessalonians 1:5 ESV)
And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” (Galatians 4:6 ESV)
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, (Romans 8:15-16 ESV)
I pray that as you read these passages that the Holy Spirit bore witness with your spirit that He is working within you to enable you to know God’s Word and thereby His truth as you read Sacred Scripture. This truth should cause us to cry “Abba Father!” Therefore, let us resolve to study God’s Word, to immerse ourselves in it and work with Holy Spirit to conform to it. If we will do this then we will not suffer from a lack of assurance nor will we be vulnerable to the lies of self-proclaimed prophets who elevate there own words over God’s. Let us reject all Christian leaders who place God’s Word in subjection to their ministries.
God has been working in my heart over the last several weeks with this. I have been pondering why some Christian leaders are so solid and bold in the face of all sorts of apostasy while others claim the same, but seem to be compromising a little bit here and a little bit there while others are up to their necks in it. What makes the difference? Some have discernment others don’t. Those with it are obedient to God by honoring His Word and subjecting their ministries to it. Those who are compromising have given in more and more in denying the Word’s authority.
By-the-way, here is my response to Sara:
Sara,
I have already addressed all of this and the subject is closed. I am sure Victor is assured and confident that he is prophet and is right and we are wrong, but that is just his opinion along with the opinion of those who follow him. I am sorry you went to all the trouble to post all of that, but I am not going to publish these comments. I have seen what your ‘group’ teaches and holds and I can assure you that it is not biblical. Victor has accused me of not know ing what a real Bible teacher is. Isn’t that interesting that it is by his authority alone that anyone can be verified as telling the truth or no?
I have the Holy Spirit and God has written His truth on my heart as the Bible says of all who have believed. I have been washed by regeneration and now have a relationship with God. He guides my steps and He gives me wisdom and discernment. Therefore, based on this I was able to ‘judge’ Victor and Paul’s ‘attacks’ as deception with the intent to delude. By doing this I am able to soundly rebuke these false prophets and refuse to listen to anything they have to say. I am also giving notice here that I consider any more of these emails and comments to be completely unwelcome so please pass on to both Paul and Victor that we will no longer engage in any fruitless ‘discussions.’
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
➀R.C. Sproul, Scripture Alone; The Evangelical Doctrine, Phillipsburg, NJ, 2005, p121
Sola Scriptura :The inerrant Scripture is the sole source of written divine revelation,which alone can bind the conscience. The Bible alone teaches all that is necessary for our salvation from sin and is the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured.
We deny that any creed, council or individual may bind a Christian’s conscience, that the Holy Spirit speaks independently of or contrary to what is set forth in the Bible, or that personal spiritual experience can ever be a vehicle of revelation.
Sola Scriptura
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Solus Christus
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April 27, 2008 at 8:43 pm
(head shaking in unbelief at the arrogance of Victor and his “family”)
Who won the scrabble game?
April 27, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Deb,
My wife won, but it was close.
Usually I win two or three in a row then she will win two or three in a row. I enjoy the close games more than the blowouts.
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
April 27, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Sola scriptura. Amen.
I am reasonably sure that you will now end up on their false teacher page, along with other people such as John Piper, Tim Challies, and even Lisa Nunley now.
April 27, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Hi Mike,
I wrote an article yesterday on the issue of God “speaking” to people. Though I didn’t touch upon the extreme of the charismatics, I used Gary Gilley’s book, “Is That You Lord”, as a springboard on the topic. It’s at my blog which I believe clicking my name gets you there.
Though I’m not familiar with the Victor guy, it is easy to know that his prophecies are not really valid at all when you know how God speaks (or not speak) to people today.
God bless,
Tim
April 27, 2008 at 10:00 pm
far out…this is just far out…are those guys(paul and vic) for really are they just goofing around?…
sounds like kids trying to be silly or somehting…
April 27, 2008 at 10:19 pm
nevermind i just went to their site…
i wish i had my five minutes i spent there back..
April 27, 2008 at 10:34 pm
There are only two choices. Either the Scriptures are the authority or men are. Even with Scripture we must battle interpretation errors and the dictates of the flesh, so without Scripture as the absolute basis we are helpless to uncover truth.
When men reject Scripture as the sole basis for God’s revelation, then men themselves become Scripture. I have found you, Mike, to be a painfully serious student of the Word and many people have benefited from reading your teachings.
You are not petty, you do not trade in gossip, you allow discussion, and you exegete Scripture with an obvious desire to be faithful to God. Keep breaking the Bread, Mike, those that hunger will eat it, those that are offended will continue to be so.
April 28, 2008 at 6:41 am
Jen, good company to be in.
April 28, 2008 at 6:42 am
Amen Timothy!
April 28, 2008 at 6:42 am
seldom, I know what you mean brother.
April 28, 2008 at 6:43 am
Rick, thanks for the encouragement. Painfully huh?
April 28, 2008 at 6:57 am
Victor may be unteachable. His pride is lifted up because he does not know the Lord. In his heart, he believes that he is God’s right hand man. There are so many false prophets who come against the true gospel. Probably too many to count. They follow lying spirits as well as their own presumption. Men who walk according to the flesh.
“And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. ” 2 Corinthians 11:12-15 ESV
I don’t know the reason that he ‘buffets’ you Mike, but I guess that it may be because he is offended by the uncompromising truth. He shows the characteristics of false apostles from the Word of Faith camp. They typically hate the mention of a narrow way, because it does not satisfy their lusts. The narrow way does not promise them what they desire, so they truly believe that you are a threat to them exercising dominion over others.
I too have been ‘buffeted’ by men like this from the Word of Faith camp. The attacks are generally the same, they are convinced that they are a liason or the mediator between you and God. They are superior. World Changers International claims that their pastor knows the Lord face to face just like Moses. I would like to leave this verse for others to look into.
“And there has not risen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, , whom the Lord knew face to face, none like him for all the signs and wonders that the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt, to Pharoah, and all his servants and to all his land, and for all the mighty power and all the great deeds of terror that Moses did in the sight of Israel.” Deuteronomy 34:10-12 ESV
There are many false apostles who contaminate the visible church. Take for example the church of Ephesus. They had some tares among them.
“I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, AND ARE NOT,and hast found them liars: and hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted…” Revelation 2:2-3 KJV
These tares somehow make it to the top, unaware of the damage that they may inflict upon others. They compromise the truth so that they may appease men’s flesh. They are the tickler’s of men’s ears. They are dividers because they compromise the truth in order to win fame, status, or fortune.
“I appeal to you brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Romans 16:17-18 ESV
April 28, 2008 at 7:05 am
Amen Josh,
You know, when I first started debating Paul in that group I was pretty ignorant of all of the error on their site. I didn’t really understand who I was dealing with. However, once I saw the truth about them, prayed about how to respond to them, it was as if all of the trepidation and ‘fear’ about offending them along with my deep desire to see them repent, was gone. Now, I just feel sorry for those ensnared by Victor.
I have conversed with several other people who have been attacked by these fellows and they all talked about Victor’s drive to demand that others submit to his authority. When we refuse to do so and rebuke him and his bunch in the name of Christ, he flees. I hope you noticed that they like to sneak attack us. It is never straight up and in public.
However, the number one indicator that they are not of Christ is their rejection of the Word of God as the authority instead of Victor’s prophecies.
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
April 28, 2008 at 8:38 am
Calvin-admiring site; please visit/comment: TheAmericanView.com.
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April 28, 2008 at 8:45 am
I had to chuckle when I read Ricks comment about the ‘painfully’ part too.
My guess, the best way to not offend people like Victor and Paul would be to just ignore his type. So far we have never found anyone who has ‘changed their minds’ when we have pointed out the truth to them. We listen to them, but they won’t listen to us. We have also found out that it is usually the ‘baby’ Christians who will listen to reason. The saying, ‘you can’t teach an old dog new tricks’ seems to apply to them. Could be because they love not the truth? We have been around people who are really searching, and then those who are ‘playing’ just for attention, and then those like you have delt with Mike.
April 28, 2008 at 9:05 am
I’ve been doing quite a bit of reading on their website, their testimonies, teachings and what not. A couple of things showed up as I read. The first being the absolute mean spiritedness with which they attempt to “persuade” the person they are talking with. One such exchange via email that they posted, Paul even cursed at the guy. He said that what the man was talking about was B.S. though he did not use the abbreviation. The second thing I noticed was that Paul is divorced. He said that God told him to divorce his wife because she was an unbeliever and that their marriage was never God’s will. His support text was Ezra 9-10. Thirdly not only do they know who are and are not saved, they also know who will and will not repent. In their exchanges about Lisa, they compared her to Job (the reason she has an illness) but that the difference between her and Job was that Job got better because he repented, but she will never get better because she will never repent. That’s almost verbatim from an email they posted on their website.
Their witness is powerless, their theology is without merit. What power is there witness that says you have to repent, but if you don’t, it’s okay because you’ll end up in heaven after going through the “fires of purification”. Heck, I’ll live like I want now, suffer for a time in the lake of fire, and then get heaven. Best of both worlds, man. Pfft. Hogwash. I’ll cling to the Jesus who drank the wrath of God for me.
These guys don’t see how sinful man is, else they would realize the justification for an eternal, conscience torment. Someone can ask, how can God justify sending someone to eternal punishment, when the person is mortal, and their sins are limited? Because they being mortal, sinned against an immortal, infinite God. Our crimes against God are infinite, because His holiness is infinite, thus an eternal punishment is justified and biblically sound.
They claim to have this great view of sin, but their rejection of eternal punishment proves otherwise.
April 28, 2008 at 9:09 am
I agree Paul!
April 28, 2008 at 9:14 am
Jordan,
Thanks for doing that. I agree completely with your analysis. Their stance on lost people spending a short time in the Lake of Fire to incur God’s wrath is ludicrous because we are all infinitely sinful and no amount of hellfire can cleanse us of that. However, all who have received the gift of salvation are washed and cleansed and have right standing before God. Only they will avoid the Lake of Fire which is eternal.
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
April 28, 2008 at 9:14 am
What about PRIMA SCRIPTURA???
You seem to follow this principle…since you quote a lot Calvin, and perhaps many others…?
April 28, 2008 at 9:18 am
Chris,
I quoted Calvin here on Sola Scriptura because he addressed this issue very succinctly. I did not quote Calvin because I see what he wrote as inspired. Are you suggesting that I cannot use the quotes of godly men who are on the same path of discovery that we are? After all, you quote Irenaeus on the header of your blog. Would that be PRIMA SCRIPTURA?
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
April 28, 2008 at 9:18 am
There’s also the “small” problem of what happens to Satan and his angels in the lake of fire, if indeed it isn’t eternal.
April 28, 2008 at 9:22 am
Absolutely true Jordan. Their theology is neither biblical nor intellectually honest.
April 28, 2008 at 2:58 pm
what was most shocking to me was how…everyone…from calvin to ellen white made the list…from one extreme to the other….even billy graham was on it…and he is just and evangelist who preaches nothing but repent and believe JESUS…he does not really break into deep discussion in his messages, but it is said, his sermons are on a level an eleven year old boy can receive….
.they pretty much placed all forms of doctrine, good and bad, on it if one reads the list carefully…then in their own teachings, they produce much of the false doctrine some of those who they regulated to the list teach…it was comical, but a the same time…sad and…wierd…
April 28, 2008 at 4:35 pm
I had a similar thing happen at my blog last year from a devotee of one of the Philippine cults whose leader has actually been exposed on national US television. It was VERY similar in structure to what this man posted to you, and when I asked the young man to stick to a point by point debate I received even longer (and just as mystifyingly off-topic) diatribes.
Thanks for representing Christ in love! I’ve prayed for you about this and will keep on praying as God brings you to mind.
April 28, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Amen seldom! Did you notice that they had Darwin Fish on there. This guy says that no one has it right except him. They condemn him, but do the very same thing. Nauseating.
April 28, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Mark,
It is like that fellow who decided to kill all those students at Virginia Tech. Do you remember his diatribe? It was irrational, rambling, and vicious. These fellows are the same way, but they haven’t reached the violent point…yet.
In Christ
Mike Raltiff
April 28, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Whoa, took a look at this Victor guy. You have my prayers, thank God for His faithfulness given to you.
April 28, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Guys like me, Mike, are around to lighten you up about the “painful” side of serious. I was astounded to see how people will listen to some man say “Go ahead and divorce your husband, God was never in it anyway.”.
When you say “I do” – God is in it whether you are in disobedience or not. Cults manipulate people and have a “private” interpretation of Scripture. Some cults like Roamn Catholicism is accepted, others like this Victor goofball can be spotted a mile away.
This blog thing – I love this game. Hey, am I the only chronic visitor who is Arminian? Anyone out there? Hey Mike, here’s a painful breaker:
The Calvinist commenters here were irresistibly drawn, we Arminians chose to comment!
April 28, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Thanks for the encouragement DEAD MAN BLOGGIN’!
April 28, 2008 at 5:42 pm
April 28, 2008 at 6:54 pm
That was painfully funny Rick!
April 28, 2008 at 7:27 pm
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April 28, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Rick,
Did you really choose to comment based on your own autonomous free will or did your Sovereign Creator ordain that you should choose to comment of your own free will?
Is it a coincidence or providence?
In Christ,
CD
April 29, 2008 at 12:13 am
Mike – of course. I have no problem with PRIMA Scriptura. Obviously – I would not consider CALVIN inspired in the sense that the Scriptures are, but the reformers were more PRIMA Scriptura than SOLA. That is because they got their theology primarily from the Bible, but on many issues (especially the less clear ones) they felt free to use and learn from the Fathers of the Church. Calvin quotes Augustin extensively in the Institutes. That is why I personally prefer a PRIMA Scriptura ‘label.’
Because we do NOT ignore thousands of centuries of Biblical interpretation and theology. ANd that is good and wise!
Blessings,
Chris
May 2, 2008 at 6:10 am
Rick,
I am sorry but according to the point sheet, you just lost at total of 15 points. The 10 points are for a delay, the other 5 (according to the 2008 Christian Blog Point Affirmation Manual in section C of Article 1013 J Volume 4) is for a misinterpretation of doctrine in accordance with today’s subject. I will not report you to the proper blog authorities if you submit your petition (in writing) upon the predetermined acceptable due date which satisfies the petition standards according to the Point Reduction Manual Volume 3. (See section 4351 B for the proper procedures for debunking a false prophet.) Once you have petitioned to not have any penalty against you, then I would recommend that you pay close attention to the delay slip/error deduction rule explained in section 4351C, to better understand that a false prophet will cause you to lose points if you allow him to exercise authority over you.
Now back to the points sheet. As of now, here is the score.
Rick 345
Josh 330
Mike 1000
Jen 350
Paul 400
Victor 0
If you have any questions, or you wish to refute the current total, please submit the proper petition upon the correct due date specified according to the 2008 Manual Volume 4 Section 3127 J.
Josh