by Mike Ratliff
Now two men remained in the camp, one named Eldad, and the other named Medad, and the Spirit rested on them. They were among those registered, but they had not gone out to the tent, and so they prophesied in the camp. And a young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.” And Joshua the son of Nun, the assistant of Moses from his youth, said, “My lord Moses, stop them.” But Moses said to him, “Are you jealous for my sake? Would that all the LORD’s people were prophets, that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” And Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp. (Numbers 11:26-30 ESV)
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. (1 Corinthians 13:8-13 ESV)
As I ended our study last week on the Biblical definition of being Spirit Filled, I became convinced that after that was complete I should compare that with some very aberrant things being presented as “Christian” by an internationally, well-known local “church” in the metro area in which I live. I gave some hints about that in the post “What is the Purpose of Being Filled With the Spirit?” even though I did not give the name of the “church.” I did that because I was still praying about whether God really wanted me to do this. On my recent trip to Oklahoma, several family members encountered me concentrating on this as I meditated on scripture and prayed for wisdom. They all attempted to startle me as if I they thought I was in some sort of sleep state or something. No, I was simply listening to the Spirit as I worked through the Word comparing God’s truth with what I know these people are saying and doing which is most certainly not. I was simply planning the outline of what you are about to read. With each interruption I was concerned that I would lose the trail and not be able to get back to where God had me, but as I sat down this evening with my Bibles, lexicons, and commentaries, I found that the trail is indeed very hot and I pray that God uses me in this battle for His truth for His glory alone.
Carefully read the two passages I placed at the top of this post, Numbers 11:26-30 and 1 Corinthians 13:8-13. Actually, the second passage leads right into the the passage which is the focus for this post, 1 Corinthians 14:1-25. I wanted you to read these other passages to keep things in context. I have a friend, a good friend, who claims to be “a Pentecostal.” However, he and I have talked quite a bit about this topic. He asked me a few years ago if I had ever spoken in tongues. I told him that I had not. I asked him if he had. He told me that he had not either, but that since the church or denomination he was part of placed such a premium on that that it bothered him some that he did not. He refused “to fake it.” He told me that if he was not overcome by some outside force to speak in tongues then he was not going to just start doing it. He then asked me if it bothered me that I had not spoken in tongues. I told him that it didn’t bother me at all. He asked me why. I almost quoted sections of 1 Corinthians 14 to him. I am a Bible teacher. I teach from God’s Word. I make things from God’s Word clear to those who also have the Spirit of God. Tongue speaking is not meant for that purpose, but is a sign gift used by God to influence unbelievers. On the other hand, in the Church, the verbal gifts that God uses are those of preaching and teaching, which would include prophecy. I then told my friend that if God wanted me to speak in tongues then it was entirely up to Him to make that happen and I am His bondservant or slave to do with as He wills so…
Before I name the church in question, I want to go over this passage. We may have to go through several posts to get through it all. In the end, I want to compare what we will learn through this and what we learned last week with what I will show you through some videos I will attempt to post here of what is going on in that “church” and some others they sponsor.
Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. (1 Corinthians 14:1-5 ESV)
The words translated above as “speaks in a tongue” are the Greek words λαλῶν γλώσσῃ or laleō glōssa. The word λαλῶν simply means “to speak,” but in this usage is would be best translated as “one speaking.” The word translated “a tongue” by the ESV, γλώσσῃ is the Dative, singular form of γλῶσσα, which means “language.” The fact that in v2 Paul used the singular form of γλῶσσα in a negative sense saying that “no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit” is referring to the counterfeit gift of pagan gibberish that was part of their “worship.” In fact, in every instance of this form of γλῶσσα in 1 Corinthians 14, the King James translators added consistently the word “unknown” before it, but never in the case of the plural form as we see in v5, “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.” Here is v5 from the Greek, “θέλω δὲ πάντας ὑμᾶς λαλεῖν γλώσσαις, μᾶλλον δὲ ἵνα προφητεύητε· μείζων γὰρ ὁ προφητεύων ἢ ὁ λαλῶν γλώσσαις, ἐκτὸς εἰ μὴ διερμηνεύῃ, ἵνα ἡ ἐκκλησία οἰκοδομὴν λάβῃ.” Both instances of the word translated as “tongues” in this passage are γλώσσαις, which is the Dative, plural form of γλῶσσα. The plural form indicates the genuine gift of a foreign language.
Now, with that said, let’s read vv1-5 from that context. Paul was actually saying that prophesy was the best gift for the church because prophesies builds up the church. What purpose do the speaking in tongues serve? They serve no purpose unless there is an interpreter or if the language being spoken is the one spoken by the unbeliever meant to hear the Word of God by the one with that gift of tongues. Notice that is is all about what is best for the church.
Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. So with yourselves, since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church. Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue. Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” Thus tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers. If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, the secrets of his heart are disclosed, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you. (1 Corinthians 14:6-25 ESV)
Again, notice that in the singular form the word “tongue” is not used by Paul in a positive sense, but a negative one. However, in the usage of “tongues,” they are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers. On the other hand, prophecy is a sign not for unbelievers but for believers. This is why church is not for the unchurched, but for Christians alone.
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to another sitting there, let the first be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged, and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, (1 Corinthians 14:26-33 ESV)
Carefully read this my brethren. This is speaking of orderly worship. There is no chaos here. There is no ranting and raving with people running around screaming and laughing like madmen. This is about order and peace and and not confusion. Any church or its leadership that claims that “God is here!” because they have what they call “manifestations” of the Spirit in which people run around jerking and falling down causing others to fly around the room spinning and such, babbling and screaming are talking about something alien to what the Apostle Paul was describing here. If you look back at the top of this post to 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 you will read that these spiritual gifts like tongues and prophecy will pass away when the perfect shall come. He qualifies that statement in the rest of that passage so that when some say that the completion of the Bible is “the perfect” actually makes little sense. No, this stuff that is partial now will pass away when the perfect comes and that is when Christ returns. Does this mean that I believe in the gift of tongues? Yes, but as you read above, as Paul qualified it. It is for ministering to unbelievers only; not believers in the Church. I believe this is why I have never experienced it all in my entire walk and ministry because I minister through teaching from God’s Word to believers.
Now let me move on to an example of a church that gets all of this wrong. I live in the Kansas City area. I live on the Kansas side of the metro. On the Missouri side is a “church” called “International House of Prayer” or “IHOP,” which is linked to the Kansas City Prophets, which are both linked to a church in our area that is advertising heavily on TV now as the World Revival Church. One of the “fruits” of all this is a “faith healer” named Todd Bentley. These are all linked together. The more I dug into this, the more I found the same people moving between these groups. If you look at their web sites and promos you won’t see the stuff that others have shown me with all of the Satanic body twitching, body slamming stuff going on with the the focus being on “the manifestations” of the God through what they call the gifts of the Spirit which we have been looking at for weeks and know that what they are doing does not line up with God’s Word.
I will post just one video that includes some of what goes on at World Revival Church as part of their “Worship.” This video is part 2 of a series. I suggest you watch the entire series on Youtube. In any case, I will start working on what true worship is in our next post, God willing. Here is the video.
Mike, Praise the Lord Jesus Christ, for He is opening your heart up to be decerning in this heavy delusion! A false sign. We are not to compromise against His Holy Word as these people do! We are to speak out against it. But again we are to pray for them, “Father forgive them for they no not what they are doing”! For the battle isn’t against flesh and blood but the powers that drive these people to wanting the lusts of the eyes. Please Lord continue to lead Mike in Your ways and Your ways only!
In Christ,
David
Thank you David!
Hi Mike,
Unfortunately my husband and I know several people who are into this hyper charismatic false “worship.” The ones we have had the opportunity to speak to about this don’t wish to discuss their beliefs with us. If you are not on board with them…well, you are practically not saved in their eyes. For the ones we know, it is always about the next new move of God, or new healing, or learning how to be a more prophetic people, or coming into a new time of even raising the dead…etc. Bill Johnson followers. There is never any rest for them, it seems. Always a striving for something. No resting in Christ and His finished work. That is just not good enough. I just don’t even know what to call this. It is sad.
Thanks for this and may God bless your efforts.
God led me to this stuff last year ( around the time I found your site.). I had been reading the shack and was alarmed that I was being taken in by it myself. I wanted to understand why churches were allowing the book and sometimes endorsing it amongst themselves.
This is a good site that I found at the time, with lots of information about false teaching and these false (godly) spiritual experiences
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/
There are some accounts under ‘articles’ of people involved in the torono ‘blessing’, that are very alarming and showing that this kind of deception has been pervading the visible church for a long time now.The accounts are from christians who let themselves take part even though they were uncomfortable. One lady in particular accounts that she found that the ways in which people were acting supposedly under the spirit were often obscene and definately not godly. She allowed herself to come under this ‘blessing’ only to find she had allowed demonic control into her life. She did not go to anyone for help with it, because others said she was being blasphemous in saying it was so. So she pressed into God and his word and over time she was set free. Obviously she never returned to that church again.
This stuff is very dangerous. Really more dangerous than the obvious occult, because it describes its self in christian language.It appeals to our thirst for power and our desire to weild it like God himself.
”Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore it says,
“Awake, O sleeper,
and arise from the dead,
and Christ will shine on you.”
God bless you with continued clarity of decearnment Mike.
In Christ.
Fiona
Eph 5: 6-14.
Thank you Diane. I am working a Biblical definition of worship…
Thank you Mike for taking time to do an “orderly” Bible study on this topic!!! As you know, we came out of this type of extreme pentecostal church 10 years ago. Last year, we learnt that the daughter of one of our friends from this church was travelling to Bentley’s revival for a “healing”. We emailed and warned them about the dangers of this false “ministry” – we were ignored! We later found out that they came back in a WORSE condition than when they had left for this “revival”.
But that didn’t stop them categorically believing it is still a “move of God”! Blind eyes that refuse to open to the truth of what God’s Word says – that is the most frustrating part – it is so blatantly apostate, and contrary to what the Word of God says!
As I have often told others, I may be charismatic, but I am not a charisMANIAC! Thanks for all the wonderful Greek lessons – we appreciate it.
You are welcome Sandra.. yes, it is quite sad and disturbing when those seeking to be deceived find the ones who actually do tickle their ears…
You are very welcome Mike!
Thanks for the article Mike. I’m from New Zealand’s South Island myself and I attended a Baptist church with serious charismatic leanings for a few years before switching to an expository gospel-preaching non-charismatic (Calvinist-leaning) Anglican church. At my former church the poeple would often claim to receive a vision from God – the vision could be either for corporate or a specific person.
We just a major earthquake nearby over the weekend and my current church is damaged and cancelled the services last week, so I went back to the old church. At the end of the service someone stood up and purposely said he received a word of prophecy from God, using the first person “I” pronoun to refer to God, and in turn saying something along this line
“God used the Napier earthquake to warn NZ public to repent, yet the nation didn’t, so He sent this earthquake to Christchurch to give a second and final warning. If the nation doesn’t repent He is going to send a major quake causing deaths to untold numbers in Auckland etc etc. ”
This is followed by the senior pastor hurling out the plate with 2 Chronicles 7:14.
I know this is common among charismatic churches, someone giving very specific prophecy that vaguely line up with the character of God’s holiness, but is way extrabiblical in scope and not support in the Scriptures.
Should this form of “more moderate” charismatic churches be avoided as well? Thanks,
FYI, I believe the biblical position is cessationism, and I don’t believe tongues, personal prophecy, etc will resume until after the Church Age into the Tribulation Period, but we aren’t in that period yet.
Joel, I personally would avoid a church like the one you spoke of. If they are going to allow people to prophesy like that then they have to also be held accountable. When they say, Thus says the Lord and speak a prophecy and it doesn’t take place then they prove they are liars and need to be disciplined. However, notice how it is impossible for this to happen here since who is to say at what level of repentance is required for God to relent or not? See, this is why subjectivism and experience are markers of counterfeit Christianity. One of the first “yeah buts” we hear when we compare what is going on in these churches with God’s Word is “well lives are being transformed…” So what, that is experience and pure subjectivism. When you look at a church to seek if they are true or not you look at their fruit and that is where they stand on Doctrine and how solid they remain in God’s Truth and their refusal to waiver in any direction away from it. These churches like you described are man-centered, man-driven and I would stay as far from it as I could.
In Christ
Mike Ratliff
I know your post is about tongues, but “…church is not for the unchurched, but for Christians alone” struck my attention. This statement is so true. Fellowship is for the “called out ones”, the eklesia. But, we see the opposite in the institutional church.
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” 2 Corinthians 6:14
Amen Raedene!
Hi Mike, I am new this day to your site.
Looking forward to more of your discussion on worship!
I am a church music leader of over 30 years, so I have encountered firsthand some of this “transformation” in the Church’s worship.
I am intensely interested in your studied writing on Truth issues and the contemporary church, but also much confused. I wanted to comment on earlier posts but find that not possible. Hope this is OK.
I come from a Reformed perspective, so I am familiar with many of the blogs / sites concerning the Emergent church et. al. you refer to. But isn’t a lot of the apostacy-apologetics battle also really about things like: culture, community, postmodernism, generational differences, arguing over language, and the very confusion over “faith and works”?
Aren’t many of these groups getting entangled in working-out the combination of faith+works?
And also the modern confusion of marketing + evangelism? They so often promote their “ministry” so much to be appealing to a receptive audience, that they seem to lose their Christlike difference. I get that.
But, isn’t this the same type of “mistake” that evangelists have been making since the 1800′s? Isn’t most of this pentecostalism/ charismatic/ syncretic-type “worship” or “church” just the same old Revivalism in some new *Post-Modern or Millennial futurist what-have-you * packaging??
In your “Faith without Works is Dead” post, you commented there:
Being fruitful in the Kingdom is the resultant Christlikeness our character obtains (i.e. the fruit of the Spirit) and the good works that we do because of it.
Yes, it is both. So in light of this, I wanted to respond to Charisse’s comment on your recent
” What is the Purpose of Being Filled With the Spirit?” post.
Why does a Christian have to beat your/herself up in doing good, and suppose that when you do a “good work” that you are motivated out of your own glory-seeking?
Is it wrong to call attention to yourself or what you do if it is in the name of Jesus? Isn’t that a part of witnessing, not keeping your life and works hidden?
Isn’t her example just that – of merely telling someone else of what she was doing, as a “help” out of motivation by the Holy Spirit? Thus she is actually pointing to the work of the HS in her life. (Even if verbally one doesn’t “explain” to others the motivation.)
I don’t see this as anything to be ashamed about, or loss of reward, etc. – actually the opposite. Might not the other woman wonder why a person would go out of their way to be helpful/thoughtful, and thus begin to ask if it has something to do with being a Real Follower of Jesus?!
God has opened stranger doors into people’s hearts!
If I affirm that I am am doing something good, does that have to mean I am not “humble” or “self-effacing” enough?
Lots of Questions here, but I’m better with them than answers. . .
Welcome Jim. Yes, a lot of what you said about what is going on in the Truth War is right, and I struggled for quite some time in how to address what I knew to be wrong, but was just overwhelmed by all of it. When I wrote that paper to give to my ex-pastor back in 2006 about why our church shouldn’t go Purpose Driven, it took me about two weeks to put that together and I just barely scratched the surface. I have learned a lot more since then. Really, it all boils down to whether we are God Centered in our theology, worship, and “religion” or man centered. If a leader or church is the former then many of these issues that I and my friends stand so firmly against not issues at all because the Gospel is everything, worship is God centered, the churches are all about Him and His glory not meeting people’s felt needs, et cetera. On the other hand, if they are the latter then it is the opposite and those on that side come in many shades of error. Some actually seem to have quite good doctrine, but are compromised when it comes to things like Spiritual Formation or mysticism or what have you. Others are simply just trying to be as hip as possible and are all about growing through entertainment, et cetera. Well, that is how I see it. I have learned to address these things quite simply via the Word of God. There is a deep hunger in the Church for God’s Word because so many have had it withheld from them by their leaders for far too long. If I stay grounded in what God’s Word says and address everything from there rather than what men say or what some man’s opinion is then those who do not like those truths have very little they can say against it…
Thanks Mike and I agree that amazingly, this is where a lot of Christians stumble. Their line of reasoning runs like this “God is holy and just, He hates sin. This prophecy is in line with His character, and besides it is reasonably open in nature, so it will be fulfilled in some form and still at the end of the day glory to God!”.
That church is definitely more shallow doctrinally speaking than my current church. I notice there is a conviction of beliefs and also the believers are more aware of the Bible at the new church. Not to mention the old church’s associate pastor (not the senior pastor) is a big fan of Rick Warren, Bill Hybels, John Ortberg, and promotes all sorts of social gospel lite and only mentioning in passing that “Pray those in the community become saved…”
Amazingly, the new church is an Anglican church, a denomination that has all sorts of liberal/liturgical mess, while the old church is Baptist, supposedly the Bible-believing one for most evangelical Christians.
Joel, I came from the SBC and it has been going the way your described very quickly over the last decade or so. When church growth becomes the idol then God gives them over to it and it is a very slippery slope.