by Mike Ratliff
For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17 ESV)
I was reading my dear brother Ken Silva’s fine article, Doug Pagitt Excited About Interfaith Powwows At Solomon’s Porch, today and noticed in the very first paragraph a reference to 1 Peter 4:17 and judgment. Here is part of that quote, “…and I’ve warned you that there is a tsunami of apostasy—pushed along by 1 Peter 4:17 judgments—headed toward the church visible.” A number of you have approached me wanting me to address this or that well known leader in the visible church who is apostatizing even going so far as to call some of them out and make them stop what they are doing, if that were possible. My brethren, I do not like what is going on any more than you do, but I agree with Ken, what we are witnessing is something that is being allowed within the Sovereignty of God for His purpose. The visible church is going down the tubes, but what about the real church, the remnant? What about it? Didn’t our Lord say, “The gates of Hell shall not prevail over His Church?” (Matthew 16:18) Of course, that Church is the real Church, that one built upon the Rock of Faith that is the gift from God, not the works of men. This visible church consists of what we see with our eyes and a lot of it is that which is not eternal. It is only the product of men and their labors. What is being torn apart by apostasy is that church. What about the genuine Church, the one built without hands, the one on the rock that the gates of Hell cannot prevail against? What about it? Will all this apostasy touch it? That is what we will look at in this post.
Everywhere we look in our time, God’s Truth is under attack. It seems that “everyone” is calling for interfaith compromise and with no emphasis on absolute truth. For, after all, how could Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, et cetera all come together as one unless everyone gave up their core values as absolute? I can guarantee you though that our Lord’s statement in Matthew 16:18 was absolutely true and the reason is that genuine Christians are so not because of their will power or what they have done, but because of what God has done. They are new creations and real Christians will not compromise. Therefore, genuine Christians will be persecuted and will not give in, even to the point of death.
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And
“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good. (1 Peter 4:12-19 ESV)
Here is 1 Peter 4:12 from the ESV: Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.
Here is v12 from the NA27 text: Ἀγαπητοί, μὴ ξενίζεσθε τῇ ἐν ὑμῖν πυρώσει πρὸς πειρασμὸν ὑμῖν γινομένῃ ὡς ξένου ὑμῖν συμβαίνοντος
The words “fiery trial” translates one Greek word, πυρώσει, the dative, singular form of the noun πύρωσις or purōsis, which was “a burning conflagration,” which is used analogously here to refer to a fiery test of trying circumstances. The point Peter is making is that Christians should not be astonished when they suffer or when the Church undergoes severe trial. God is using these things to purify the Church. Therefore, we should unreservedly give ourselves to God in the midst of our sufferings, entrusting ourselves to Him totally while doing good instead of retaliating in kind.
On the other hand, notice the form these fiery trials take in v17. Here is v17 from the ESV: For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
Here is v17 from the NA27 text: ὅτι [ὁ] καιρὸς τοῦ ἄρξασθαι τὸ κρίμα ἀπὸ τοῦ οἴκου τοῦ θεοῦ· εἰ δὲ πρῶτον ἀφ᾽ ἡμῶν, τί τὸ τέλος τῶν ἀπειθούντων τῷ τοῦ θεοῦ εὐαγγελίῳ;
The word “judgment” translates the Greek word κρίμα or krima, which refers to the act of “judgment” or it consequences. Its usage in 1 Peter 4:17 refers to the final eternal judgment of God that will come on all creatures starting with God’s people and resulting in the damnation of those who have rejected the faith, oppose God, and his people. However, notice very carefully the context of what Peter is telling us. This judgment is coming upon the household of God. It is a purifying judgment meant to cleanse. Yes, God’s people will suffer in the midst of it, but what will be the outcome? Those who are genuine will come through the fire and be saved, entering in to God’s rest, but the disingenuous will find destruction for they do not obey the gospel.
Now, let us look at the current state of affairs in the visible church in our time. What is going on? Former solid appearing Christian leaders are apostatizing and partnering with known apostates and heretics. It looks like the majority of the visible church has been consumed by the Purpose Driven machine and it is compromised big time with a false gospel and is going hard after the world and interfaith relationships, et cetera. My old denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention is being slowly eaten alive by compromise. I could write page after page using names and organizations that you know that are compromising.
However, my brethren, that is not the point. Peter had it right. This is nothing new. 1 Peter 4:17 was written in the 1st Century and this is still going on. The Church is being continually purged and cleansed by these fiery tests and trials of faith as those who should be caring for the flock and feeding the sheep compromise and fall head over heels into apostasy. What are we to do? We follow Peter’s instructions. We remain faithful. We suffer according to God’s will as we entrust our souls to our faithful Creator while doing good.
In my case, I will continue to obey my Lord in feeding those sheep He sends to me and giving you His Truth from His Word as He commands.
Soli Deo Gloria!
Amen Brother, still haven’t finished reading all of your post. Have a blessed night.
David
Thanks David! Let me know when you do brother!
My brother,
Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And
“If the righteous is scarcely saved,
what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good. (1 Peter 4:12-19 ESV)
This is so true in the life of a believer! People state that they will not help you out because they don’t want to get in God’s way. Is that what the bible states? I’m sure you know better. I could keep writing but without the power of the Holy Spirit, my word are into the wind! I don’t have friends and people that send others to me run away after a short period of time. For I know that God’s word cuts like a knife and it is not unto me, for His be the Power and Glory forever. I continually state a pray for all that “Father forgive them for they know not what they do!”
David, Amen brother!
I would like to share another thing, people don’t understand that the proud and arrogant will not make it into the Kingdom of God. But at times all of us are. What should we do? Repent in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins! We all walk in repentance. I am not better than the next person. What does scripture state about us. Mike I already know you know. But we all can be self deceived. Because all of us are wicked by nature. People don’t even know what Holy Communion is. Before I was born I was in Holy Communion with God. Every day after birth I have distanced myself from that Holy Communion. Please may the Lord Bless all your hearts that you will come to know the truth and the truth will set you free!
Love in Christ Jesus!!
David
Amen David!
Thanks Mike. I am going to repost this on my FB page as a few of us have been in a discussion about grace and truth. God always blesses me through your writings.
You are very welcome Fred brother!!
Your writings are spot on. I’ve been very blessed to be encouraged by your studies. I am meeting with some church leaders next Wednesday to challenge them the to join me in studying the word with respects to the narrow way. The “visible” church as you put it is worldly and confused. Easy beliefism has infected the church and it’s time to call a spade a spade. John MacAuthur has a great lesson on the Grace to You website called Slaves For Christ. I purchased it and am beginning to pass it around among the more spiritually minded leaders. Please keep me in your prayers. May the Lord continue to bless you in your walk.
Stay with it, my brother! We have “so great a cloud of witnesses
surrounding us…
and our God Himself “to show himself strong on behalf of those
whose heart is perfect toward Him.”
What you write is encouraging me, here in India, to be faithful in these last days!
Thank you for this article Mike. These are trying times. I do pray though, as time goes by that God may link up likeminded true Christians as I am sure my husband & I are not the only ones doing it alone because we have lost all fellowship as our previous churches we’ve been in are compromising beyond our ability to stay in them. Also some ‘Christian’ family members have criticised us & cast us off & that’s with us just commenting on such things as being given Tim Keller’s Reason for God book & warning them it’s not right. It seems to me you don’t have to say a lot but in fact the spirit in these people rages against the true believers like they sniff us out!!! Anyway, thanks for the encouragement. We shall stand. Blessings in Our Redeemer’s Precious Name. Lyn
Hi Mike
“genuine Christians are so not because of their will power or what they have done, but because of what God has done.” AMEN!
Even Jesus Himself said in John 5:30 -
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. The sheep are separated from the goats when the understanding is in place, that it is all of grace, that outside of Jesus and His finished work on the cross, we are lost and unclean. Isaiah states in: Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Fire purifies and the Lord will not allow His children to live untried, unpurified lives. No servant is greater than his Master. It makes it so much easier for us to face what we have to face, when we understand this. Paul said “I count it all joy”. He truly understood what it meant to be in the Lord – his life counted for nought, his life was about doing the will of his Lord.
That we might seek the Lord out to be able, in Him, to not only say it, but live likewise, not only when the going is good, but when the inevitable trials come too.
Bless you brother
Steph
Amen Mike! Thanks and I pray that God will bless that endeavor!
Thank Celine, and I pray that God upholds you through whatever your fiery trials may be!
Amen Lyn, yes, those in the visible church who are not part of the real church are slaves to a false religion and that enslavement has fully captured these people into believing that what they are doing is the real Christianity, but all they are doing is following men not Christ. I came out of it by becoming immersed in God’s Word. Of course, God drew me out of it and I am eternally grateful, but these are tough times…
Amen and thank you so much Steph. Very well said my sister!
Amen ! Great Post Brother !
Thanks Frank!
Wow, this is really good.
One day, really soon, all the saints will be gathered together in one place and all this “stuff” that we have been through will be a distant, faint memory.
When we were pretty much given an ultimatum to leave our fellowship, I felt like the bottom had just dropped out of my world. My husband had just passed away and now I am losing my only support (so I thought) system. Lord, what is going on? I trust You, but I am sinking here!
Then little by little He has built me up, or I should say restoring the foundation that was there all the time, only I couldn’t rest on it. I am comforted and encouraged that others are experiencing some of the same things that we have been through. I know that may sound a little heartless, but it gives me great assurance that I am in His will, not some “lone-ranger” out here who is just too picky about church, etc.
Praise God, Jesus is coming and it is so soon!
I am praying for that last Gentile today!!!!
Thanks and Amen Berean Gal. I know exactly what you mean!
Mainline Liberal Churches are a visible church, are they not?
I would say so truthunites…
VERY GOOD! I was struck by this scriptural phrase when reading this…. “If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.” What a gift!!! to think everything we face and more happened to our Lord…….all the way to dying ALONE……but his Spirit of glory and God rests on us all the way through ……. Precious comfort! It is purifying dying daily to self and flesh, Lord help your remnant to be faithful!!
Lyn, I had to laugh when I read your comment, how many times have I felt that someone “sniffed me out” and attacked me over something which seemed to be minor. It was good way to describe that and my chuckle for the day. : }
Amen Stella Marie!
Amen.
In Christ alone come what may in a world passing away,
charisse
Amen Charisse!
Hi Mike,
Praising God for all you do in your being led by the Holy Spirit in your writing and teaching. Sometimes I look out at what is Christianity and I am just shocked at the mockery of it all. It is scary and surreal. Not that I am frightened at what will happen to me because of my beliefs, but what is frightening is the silence I “hear” except from a few such as yourself and Pastor Ken and others… a sad silence that says nothing really matters. I am thankful that you have not compromised and have been faithful and I know I can always count on coming here and learning and reading something that is glorifying to God. Thank you for all the help you have given to me in the almost 2 years I have been reading! God bless!
Interfaith powwows….just another reminder of the smorgasbord of compromising philosophies available to us in Christianity’s finest hour. We were warned of perilous times in the last days…here we are experiencing them. And God remains faithful through it all. If we keep humbly eating from his table, our faith will not fail.
Thanks and Amen Diane!
Amen Carolyn!
Very good post Mike. We need to be able to discern the times and you help us do that.
Thanks and Amen Louise!
The (visible-institutional) Church is infiltrated with tares/wolves/ the birds of the air. These infuse the leaven of every grevious thing that makes the true saint groan and sigh. Most in the Church are not converted. Many true saints have been called by God to go out from it, to save their souls, and that they may walk with Jesus and abide in Him. The judgment of God is come/ shall come greatly, upon this fully leavened lump; God will chop off a large part of it (all the wicked therein) and shall bring the rest, His true remnant, through the fire of purging and tribulation. This is a very painful purifying cleansing sanctifying process. This is what is upon us; what judgment God brought to Israel in the OT shall repeat with us. Isaiah 28 is about the Church, this is now. This is part of His plan; He is separating the wheat from the tares. He is threshing it all out and He shall gather His wheat to put into His barn. But the process is very painful. It greatly helps with the distress that God’s people experience, to understand what is going on. There are different players, each playing their part. “This also comes from the LORD of hosts, who has made His counsel wonderful and His wisdom great.” Is.28:29
Amen Loretta!
You’re spot on Loretta. I once read in Fox’s Book of the Martyrs about true believers in 1500s England meeting secretly as the danger was you could be burned at the stake for standing for Truth. I wonder if we’re too far from such dangers these days. If you read Phyllis Tickle’s book The Great Emergence the last few lines are quite chilling as they indicate the eradication of those who resist the ‘great emergence’. I no longer have the book but if I lay my hands on it I’ll quote direct.
Thanks for sharing that Lyn. Yes it is chilling and if you read the some of the comments that my spam blocker is auto deleting on the post dealing with Frank Turk you will see that just because someone carries the name ‘Christian’ does not mean they act like Christ. In any case, I think this feeds very well into the theme of my post, The Plot to Kill Jesus.
Oh good grief. Did it ever dawn on you that you folks might be the ones who are misled? That you are working against what God is doing? That you are the pharisees of our day?
You all sit in judgement of the work of God in others and tell about how God is losing in our world and no one but you has it right.
That is spot on to what Jesus was dealing with.
No that God loves you and is not against you.
Be confident that he that is is in you in sufficient.
Live as one in partnership with God for the healing of the world.
Love one another and God.
Be of good cheer.
Be a blessing for all the world.
And, have a great day.
Doug has it ever occurred to you that God meant what He said in His Word and His Truth is Objective and not Subjective and open to the interpretation of fallible men such as yourself who are attempting to corrupt our faith by incorporating within it every known “religion” known to man? That is metioned in the Bible as well and we are called to deal with it specifcally in a certain way in no uncertain terms which we do here.
Doug said: “Oh good grief. Did it ever dawn on you that you folks might be the ones who are misled? That you are working against what God is doing? That you are the pharisees of our day?”
Just who would “you folks” be? But I really wonder, did it ever dawn on you that you folks in the Emergent cult might be the ones who are misled?
That its actulally you are working against what God is doing? And that you are the pharisees of our day?”
Did it ever dawn on you, Doug, that you folks might be the ones who are misled? That you are working against what God is doing? That you are the pharisees of our day?
You show up and sit here in judgement of the work of God in others and you don’t know who has it right but it certainly isn’t us.
That is spot on to what Jesus was dealing with.
Hm Doug, I promise you Ken and I did not consult each other on our responses. Really!
Say Mike, thank you for this reminder, I remember back in 05-06 Paul Proctor I think wrote something about Purpose Driven and Seeker Sensitive being a sifting of the saints. That was a great comfort to me. It doesn’t make it easy, but helps.
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