23 thoughts on “Death and the Afterlife

  1. Now does that diagram depict the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. Lazarus being in Paradise and the rich man being in Hades with a big gulf separating them? Do you believe that is were we go, after death, to wait the final judgment?

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  2. Deb,

    This was just a diagram for discussion. I suppose that it could represent that since the two dotted lines are separated by a gap that is never crossed because the lines are parallel. 🙂

    I believe that the lost go to that place the rich man went. I believe that the saved go to be with Jesus, wherever He is. Some speculate that Jesus took the righteous out of “paradise” and took them to Heaven after His resurrection. It’s hard to be dogmatic about that. 🙂

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

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  3. Ok how about just one more strange question tonight? 🙂 I am going to a Catholic funeral tomorrow and the woman had committed suicide. The last time I went to a funeral for a person who committed suicide the minister actually claimed that the Lord wasn’t finished with that person yet. As if he were in some sort of purgatory like the Catholics. Were do they get that from in scripture? Just in case I hear it again tomorrow. Thanks Mike 🙂

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  4. Deb,

    Here is an answer about Purgatory:

    4) Purgatory

    Roman Catholics believe in Purgatory, which again accents a belief that Christ is not sufficient to save completely. Rather then, we must work off our sins after death for 1000’s of years until our debt to God it is completely paid. Where is Christ in all this? Was His work insufficient to cover their sins completely and once for all? To hold this doctrine, therefore, should immediately alert us to the fact that this persons plainly does not know the gospel.

    In other words, Purgatory is not biblical, but a tradition of the Catholic Church. Their theology is not Biblical.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

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  5. Deb,

    What is more important – can you be there without partaking in their darkness?

    Not participate in their prayers to Mary for this person?
    Not sing Ave Maria?

    The whole funeral thing is unfruitful works of darkness that Ephesians 5 tells us to avoid…but I also know that we are to seek peace with all men – so, being that I am unaware of the whole situation I cannot rightly say, “Do not even go”, but… be very careful in your participation – – and let His light shine through you.

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  6. I most definitely won’t participate Sherry. My daughter will be there and it is her best friends Mom that did that. He is my future son in law hopefully. No hail Mary’s for me. Sad situation. Thanks Sherry

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  7. Deb,

    Yes, what a sad situation.
    So many broken hearts – broken lives.

    I thought of you a few times throughout the day yesterday – I hope that it all went well.

    May God continue to bless and guide you.

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  8. Sherry,
    The Lord directed me to sit by other Christians at the funeral and we didn’t participate in the service together. In Him, Deb

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  9. I saw this when you first posted and it was very good. You might remember from prior conversations that I grew up in a pentecostal cult that believed Jesus was a created being. They also have this very strange teaching that only those who literally overcome all sin, will be in the bride. Those who do not literally reach perfection will have a 2nd resurrection if they believed in Christ, but were not perfect and will have a chance to overcome then. I had asked someone from there to provide scripture proof on this and they could not, other than a theory that all resurrection is for hope. I guess that is why I really liked the diagram because, God’s Word is the only authority. This false system that I grew up in could not create a diagram using God’s word to prove their position, because it directly contradicts Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this {comes} judgment,

    God bless,

    Todd E.

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  10. Deb, Luann here……… Can I ask you a question? Is this guy, your future son in law Catholic? Wow, what a situation with the suicide thing. We know so many people who have done that. Its as ugly as divorce.

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  11. Luanne,
    Yes he is a Cahtolic. One thing for sure, my daughter would NEVER convert to that religion. My kids think it’s as strange as I do. I know 5 people who have killed themselves since 1980. Most likely my first husband, his nephew, his sister, my daughters husband, now this woman. It’s a tradgedy . I really tried to get my son in law to pray and trust in the Lord but he didn’t believe that stuff. 😦 I thought about my wanting my daughter to marry a Catholic after I posted that. Only if he leaves the apostate system. 🙂

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  12. Strange as it is all but one of the 5 were Catholics and an Episcopilion (SP), which is just about the same as Catholics. At my son in laws (Epis)funeral the preacher mentioned that God wasn’t finished with him yet and he was still growing spiritually. I was really shocked at hearing such a thing.

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  13. Deb, Luann here again. Wow, you and your daughter have had your husbands commit suicide!?!? How AWFUL. Death is so ugly. From what I understand, now I may be wrong, but I understand that if this almost son in law is Catholic, if he choses to marry, then the wife has to convert to be Catholic also and get married in a Catholic church. I’d check in to it to be sure. Thats what I heard anyway. Lord knows you don’t want your daughter to do that. He needs to get away from the apostate ‘church’! He needs prayer in a major way after his mother commited suicide. How heart breaking………… and selfish of his mom.

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  14. Luann,

    He would probably marry my daughter anywhere. She is the one holding out. Committing suicide isn’t an answer to anything and leaving this world to end up were they might be is extremely sad. Life is not a bed of roses. My comfort is in our precious Jesus Christ. I pray for all of them. Mike can give you my email address if you like. Thanks Mike for being our delivery service. 🙂

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  15. It’s not just the sadness they leave behind. I always wonder were they went. Do unregenerate Christians go to Heaven if they commit suicide? The young man told me his Mom is in a better place now as she doesn’t wake up every day wishing she didn’t wake up. The priest said we can’t judge as it’s between her and God but by the end of the service he claimed that she was home with the Lord and we would all be reunited someday. I feel very guilty for doubting that.

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  16. John 15

    I Am the True Vine

    15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples. 9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love. 10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. 11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

    That was just a spirit trying to distract me and steal my joy.

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  17. Deb, Luann here 🙂 Unregenerate people who commit suicide do not go to heaven. You made a statement that can’t be………’unregenerated Christian’. There is no such thing. Either you are regenerated or you’re not. The sad thing about people who do that sort of thing THINK they are ending it all!! They think either they are going to heaven or when you are dead, you’re just dead. Little do they know what is awaiting them…………….. Its sad.

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  18. Mike, Luann here…….I am correct on what I told Deb about ‘unregenerate Christians’, yes?? I know there are the elect that were predestined that haven’t been regenerated yet, but I didn’t think that is what she ment. 🙂

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  19. Luann,

    An unregenerate Christian would be what you and I call nominal Christians. They are religious, but have no real faith. Does that make sense? They are not saved.

    In Christ

    Mike Ratliff

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  20. Luann and Mike,

    Thank you for answering the obvious. I told my small children their Daddy was in Heaven but I didn’t believe it. It’s best not to say anything and wait for them to decide. I no longer can console anyone with that promise, if I don’t believe it myself.

    Luann, I personally call them John 3:16 believers. 🙂

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