What is Vision Casting?

by Mike Ratliff

14 Μακάριοι οἱ πλύνοντες τὰς στολὰς αὐτῶν, ἵνα ἔσται ἡ ἐξουσία αὐτῶν ἐπὶ τὸ ξύλον τῆς ζωῆς καὶ τοῖς πυλῶσιν εἰσέλθωσιν εἰς τὴν πόλιν. 15 ἔξω οἱ κύνες καὶ οἱ φάρμακοι καὶ οἱ πόρνοι καὶ οἱ φονεῖς καὶ οἱ εἰδωλολάτραι καὶ πᾶς φιλῶν καὶ ποιῶν ψεῦδος. (Revelation 22:14,15 NA27)

14 Blessed are the ones washing their robes that will be their right to the Tree of Life and they may enter by the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the fornicators, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone loving and practicing falsehood. (Revelation 22:14,15 Possessing the Treasure New Testament V1) 

After the T.D. Jakes invite to Elephant Room 2 by James MacDonald he made a tactical error by trying to justify with a lot of obfuscation even claiming that Jakes was not a Modalist. Those who defended MacDonald erred as well even when they tried to cover over the lack of discernment by MacDonald to the point of de-cloaking themselves at the end and endorsing the invite. I find it hard to understand how anyone who claims to be a Biblical scholar (Mark Driscoll) and who can actually do some good research and writing, can say all the right things, but then end his statement is total obfuscation by stating that none of it matters and he is looking forward to discussing the doctrine of the Trinity with Jakes. 

Growing out of that, much research went into the ministry of MacDonald. His “Church” is called “Vertical Church,” but he preaches at multiple sites via the Internet. Another member of the Gospel Coalition, Thabitti Anyabwile, recently posted an article titled, “Multi-Site Churches Are from the Devil”. Then James MacDonald “ReTweeted” a “Tweet” from Rick Warren in response to that article:

@jamesmacdonald

James MacDonald

RT @RickWarren: Nero fiddled as Rome burned.Today Christians burn each other while the world goes to hell. So very sad. bit.ly/orIkcG

After doing that “retweeting” support from Rick Warren, MacDonald held a “Vision meeting” at a Harvest campus. He referred to all of the things going on with Jakes and the article by Anybwile saying he had been “attacked on the Internet this week.” He stated that people were saying multi-site churches are just ego-driven, et cetera. He tried to portray himself as a martyr to the 1400 or so people present just to hear him speak.

He used 1 Kings 17:1-16, which describes God using the widow in the drought to feed Elijah from the flour bin and oil jar that never went empty as an example that those people must “endorse God’s messenger.” Of course, that was him, James MacDonald. God had spoken to him and the leadership of the church and had them hand out pledge cards to everyone saying, “Look at the back of the card and I’ll tell you how to figure out what the Lord is leading you to pledge.” The entire thing was based around the people getting hold of the vision that God had given him for Harvest church.

This is the same “Vision Casting” stuff that Rick Warren does and is taught as part of the Seeker-Sensitive Paradigm. As one of my friends has said recently. Vision casting is witchcraft, not Christianity. My brethren, that sort of manipulation which I tried to describe above is Satanic and wolfish as another of my friends said. Think of our last post, Judgment Before the Great white Throne. Is the focus of these wolves on reaching these lost people with the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ or is it just get more money out of them?

Vision casting is Satanic and is a form of sorcery. According to our Lord Jesus in Revelation 22:14,15, these people are not among those whose robes are being washed so that they have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. No, they are outside and will be among those whose names are not found in Book of Life and will be cast into the Lake of Fire when they are judged before the Great White Throne.

I find it ironic that Rick Warren and James MacDonald equate building their personal kingdoms with evangelism, but when you hear their sermons, where’s the Gospel? Where’s the need for a Saviour for all those lost people? Instead, they want their money and a lot of works out of them.

Soli Deo Gloria

29 thoughts on “What is Vision Casting?

  1. Thanks for this informative article, Mike. I was in a huge S. Baptist church which promoted Vision Casting. I found a mystic prayer room along with the mystic authors within. Needless to say we left this heretical church.

    Your friend is correct in stating that this is witchcraft!

    The Lord is revealing the tares rather clearly to His own. We “SEE” whom Warren, MacDonald and their cohorts truly are.

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  2. Thanks for this article, Mike. It’s a perfect introduction to a piece I’m working on which will include audio from the “vision meeting” that you referenced. Indeed, the idea is akin to witchcraft and has no place in a Christian church!

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  3. Not only are multi-site “churches” demonic, being patterned after the cult of Rome, vision casting is as well – being taken from the occult religions of ancient times. “Pastors” Warren and MacDonald can whine about being “attacked”, but the Word of God commands His saints to mark those who walk contrary to the Word of God and preach a false gospel.

    Grow not weary, Mike. The Lord – mighty and and wise – He alone is our refuge!

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  4. I’m glad you put this out, Mike! 3 years ago, I got my head ripped off by many folks when I talked about this to folks as well as wrote in blogs about “Paster Paster Dream Caster” and how evil this was. This too goes along with the pasterprenuer and church business models as designed by Peter Druckerites. It fits with the email “FC” I sent and the ecumenical one world social gospel religious system as ascribed by the U.N.
    //www.weforum.org/en/Communities/FaithCommunities/index.htm

    They have changed the link again, so I will send you a screen shot via email.

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  5. Hi Mike,

    The first time I heard that phrase “vision casting”, I had a red flag moment. The person telling me about it was how they were going to do vision casting to increase the number of people coming to their institution. I thought it odd, because the Lord Himself has told us how He will build His church: by faithful teaching and preaching of God’s word, and through evangelism of the lost. If a pastor holds up God’s word, God will draw people in. So why any need to do vision casting? I agree, vision casting sounds like witchcraft.

    As for the tweets/retweets, if Twitter suddenly vanished without explanation, the world would be a better place. I can think of no other medium so especially suited toward narcissistic whining than Twitter. It’s an intentional one-way communication venue, where it’s all about me me me expressing my my my opinion, without any room for conversation, discussion, or heaven forbid (!) rebuttal. I’m so sick of people using Twitter to churn out their “clever” aphorisms, to their crowds of cheering sycophants. The Nero/Rome tweet is just a manipulative straw man statement if you don’t hold it up to the light of Scripture. Jesus desires His church to BOTH evangelize the lost AND contend for the faith, not either or. And contending for the faith is not “Christians burning each other”. AARGH, I am so utterly sick of hearing big name preachers use baloney excuses like that to try to deflect correct discernment of their wrongs…

    I’ll stop now (applying hands over mouth) before I get myself in trouble. Dismounting soapbox. 🙂

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  6. Ok another thought regarding the whole Nero/Rome tweet nonsense… what did Peter do when Paul confronted him because he [Peter] was “clearly in the wrong” (NIV)? I know you know the answer, Mike. 🙂

    This whole situation brings to mind many proverbs regarding one’s character and how that relates to one’s willingness to receive rebuke…

    Besides, what you and Ken and Thabiti and others are doing in trying to correct these errors (like MacDonald partnering with TD Jakes) is in the spirit of Proverbs 27:5-6. A prideful heart will not be able to see that, however.

    Proverbs 18:2 should be Twitter’s motto.

    Thanks, Mike. 😮

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  7. I was reminded again how I met Ken and Apprising long ago. Our local SBC was pushing “vision-casting” and I found Ken in my search to find out whatever it was. My daughter put it best, “just think about ‘casting a spell’ and you’ll know what it’s about.”

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  8. I had some deep unease when modern church web sites i had visited were using corporate style vision statements about a worldy future but this goes way beyond that into the witchcraft of spell casting via faith in the leader or churches vision, whipped up strong emotion by the leader or church and imagination of the vision on mass toward the goal of the vision being made reality which are the three pillars of withcraft. Faith, emotion and imagination.
    The new age has entered the Church which is really old testement abomination against God dressed up.

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  9. Ugh, may I add one more thought? And correct me please if I am wrong.

    You quoted above that MacDonald (yes?) said, “Look at the back of the card and I’ll tell you how to figure out what the Lord is leading you to pledge.”

    I am sick to the hilt of this concept of so-called “Spirit led” monetary pledges to “meet” some ministry’s vision’s financial “needs” / giving to get / prosperity or prosperity “lite” / “I tithe, I double tithe, I triple tithe, I reverse tithe” boasting / you’re robbing God threats / etc nonsense that is infiltrating the church. Preach Christ, not mammon! You don’t need to manipulate or cajole true believers into giving of their time, talents, finances, or anything. They will give, and generously at that, when they are truly Spirit led, and to boot, sans “pledge cards”! You don’t need to sell true believers on a “vision” for anything. Their eyes are fixed on Him; their ears hear His voice and will follow Him and not a stranger. Just preach Christ! HE will build HIS church.

    Sorry Mike, I’m a little riled up today…

    Jeremiah 14:14

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  10. Thanks Mike. Sorry in that I don’t mean to “preach” at the choir (and no, this lady isn’t preaching to any men!), and sorry for monopolizing the comments section. 🙂 It is so refreshing to be able to fellowship with likeminded believers, and not feel like I have to duck every time I open my mouth. 🙂

    Additionally, Mickey and Manfred seem to be “regulars” here (have you all known each other for a long time?), and all three of you brothers always give me much to consider, much for which to praise God, and much encouragement.

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  11. Carolyn, I’ve known Manfred a little longer than I have Mickey, but I value both of their insights and maturity. All three of us have experienced the pain of separation from a former church or churches. I believe God is using these things, these painful things, as ways to avenues to teach and equip His saints for what is coming. Your comments are always welcome my sister.

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  12. Well, sadly, you can add two more to the ranks of painful separation from former churches (and friends): my husband and I. Thanks again for the place of fellowship here at PTT.

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  13. Dear Lord i pray keep us strong, i have almost been reduced to tears by visiting Steven Furtick’s church Elevation website and seeing his Luciferian/satanic new age video called “Hey Haters” the guy just drools deceptive serpent like God hating and world loving carnal arrogant fake charm which makes one shudder, i would call him a wolf in wolves clothing rather than a sheep but i pity him and his followers, never hate. I had to see it to it to fully appreciate what you are Ken are exposing. You guys in the US have it full on where in the UK its far more subtle heresy, conditioning and apostasy. Its full on Luciferian/satanic new age witchcraft you guys are exposing. I pray that their followers see the truth and turn away from these new age Luciferian/satanic gurus infiltrating Christianity.
    Their world changing vision is right from Satan but we were warned about these times.
    From the Code of Pastor Steve
    “We Are United Under One Vision – Elevation is built on the vision God gave Pastor Steven. We will aggressively defend our unity and that vision”
    “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”

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  14. Andrew, yes, I’ve seen that video. It’s a video version of a Straw Man argument that you have no way avenue to refute. But, you are right, it instead of following the Biblical mandate given to THE CHURCH, guys like Furtick have a vision straight from the ‘god’ they follow and they will not listen to anyone tell them that what they are doing is unbiblical. Instead, they just call us “haters” and attempt to tell their followers they are martyrs and we are the persecutors. You right, the deception is full on, however, I have found that God’s genuine Church is being protected from this stuff and when the truth is revealed, they see the light, get it, move away or turn away from this stuff. Those who won’t listen… Well, you know who they are..

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  15. Amen to that Mike, meanwhile while these new age gurus have free reign to spread thier visions of satan with no problems from the establishment, i have recently read that home Bible study group fellowships in California are being banned by fines. How can Furtick claim “persecution” when we see what is happening to real Christians who stay out of the so called apostate Churches and around the world?
    They have no idea what real persecution really means or what may come for us.
    They hate us not for not being their goats but sheep of our God and our Saviour and the Holy Spirit in my opinion.

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  16. To Carolynb, we’re constantly pleading for God to bring more like-minded brothers and sisters here to Elm Avenue. Please feel free to come here!

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  17. Paul, haha, Grand Junction CO is a long, long ways from our home. My husband and I are both northeasterners.

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